Iran claims to have downed a US UAV

No SR71 was ever shot down

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: odzeandennz

Bwahaha, that's got to be the most ridiculous thing I've read in quite some time. A lot of wishing going on in that.

It's just your defense mechanism from the sting of a true statement.
So much so we've resorted in weaponizing trade as no one will follow Trump in war... Bone spurs.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies

originally posted by: Moley
So it seems certain that Iran has deliberately destroyed a valuable US asset. The BBC are reporting that it was a US Navy MQ-4C Triton.

Is it time to take out the missile battery that fired it, and possibly one or two others? Seems a fair and proportional response.

So that we are all clear, if the us were to declare war on Iran, Iran would retaliate against Israel's civilian population. Iran has sk many missiles and so much artillery that it could overpower the iron done system in minutes. 100,000 dead Israeli in the first day is NOT a price worth paying. It's why Israel hasn't just declared war itself. Plus Iran has chemical weapons. Enough to kill all of israels crops and animals. If Iran thought that it was going to be destroyed it absolutely would do it.

The US would quickly degrade these capabilities in the opening moments of a war. Read that link I posted. That doesn't mean Israel is totally safe, but you guys always overestimate the strength of these regional actors.

nationalinterest.org...

An old article but gives reference for debate

Listening to the media question Senator Graham, they're all about trying to make this whole thing Trump's fault. So much for the narrative that the media will be totally behind a war.

a reply to: face23785

If we stay out of the Straits, then military to military, the US would be able to handle the Iranian military fairly well. It would hurt, but it wouldn't be as bad as people think. If we insist on trying to get into the Straits, then it's a totally different discussion. A US general playing Iran in an exercise was able to destroy a CBG in the Straits in the first two days, using nothing more than what Iran had in their arsenal at the time. It was such a one sided fight that they reset the exercise and handicapped him.

www.wearethemighty.com...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: face23785

If we stay out of the Straits, then military to military, the US would be able to handle the Iranian military fairly well. It would hurt, but it wouldn't be as bad as people think. If we insist on trying to get into the Straits, then it's a totally different discussion. A US general playing Iran in an exercise was able to destroy a CBG in the Straits in about 15 minutes, using nothing more than what Iran had in their arsenal at the time. It was such a one sided fight that they reset the exercise and handicapped him.

Which is why we do such exercises. We already know the best strategies to deal with them.

a reply to: face23785

The problem is that they didn't learn. They simply took his toys away from him and started again.

In the end, the Blue Forces were all respawned and Van Riper was prevented from making moves to counter the Blue Forces' landing. He had no radar and wasn't allowed to shoot down incoming aircraft he would have otherwise accurately targeted. The rest of the exercise was scripted to let the Blue Force land and win. Van Riper walked out when he realized his commands were being ignored by the exercise planners. The fix was in.

The three-star wrote a 21-page critique of the exercise that was immediately classified. Van Riper spoke out against the rigged game anyway.

"Nothing was learned from this," he told the Guardian in 2002. "A culture not willing to think hard and test itself does not augur well for the future."

www.wearethemighty.com...

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: face23785

If we stay out of the Straits, then military to military, the US would be able to handle the Iranian military fairly well. It would hurt, but it wouldn't be as bad as people think. If we insist on trying to get into the Straits, then it's a totally different discussion. A US general playing Iran in an exercise was able to destroy a CBG in the Straits in about 15 minutes, using nothing more than what Iran had in their arsenal at the time. It was such a one sided fight that they reset the exercise and handicapped him.

Which is why we do such exercises.

We already know the best strategies to deal with them.

Yes our strategy is great, we're great at picking only on countries with less military prowess than us, Strangely. Never those our own size. Never.

The Air Force CENTCOM commander says the drone never penetrated Iranian airspace at any time during its mission and fell in international waters.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: face23785

The problem is that they didn't learn. They simply took his toys away from him and started again.

In the end, the Blue Forces were all respawned and Van Riper was prevented from making moves to counter the Blue Forces' landing. He had no radar and wasn't allowed to shoot down incoming aircraft he would have otherwise accurately targeted. The rest of the exercise was scripted to let the Blue Force land and win. Van Riper walked out when he realized his commands were being ignored by the exercise planners. The fix was in.

The three-star wrote a 21-page critique of the exercise that was immediately classified. Van Riper spoke out against the rigged game anyway.

"Nothing was learned from this," he told the Guardian in 2002. "A culture not willing to think hard and test itself does not augur well for the future."

www.wearethemighty.com...

The folks running that exercise didn't learn. I wouldn't say no one did.

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: face23785

If we stay out of the Straits, then military to military, the US would be able to handle the Iranian military fairly well. It would hurt, but it wouldn't be as bad as people think. If we insist on trying to get into the Straits, then it's a totally different discussion. A US general playing Iran in an exercise was able to destroy a CBG in the Straits in about 15 minutes, using nothing more than what Iran had in their arsenal at the time. It was such a one sided fight that they reset the exercise and handicapped him.

Which is why we do such exercises.

We already know the best strategies to deal with them.

Yes our strategy is great, we're great at picking only on countries with less military prowess than us, Strangely. Never those our own size. Never.

Should we attack China then so you don't have to feel like a bully? Grow up. The real world doens't work like a schoolyard playground.

Ugh, it REALLY looks like war is coming.

Are we really going to war over a #ing UAV?

a reply to: blackbird9393

Just watched Graham speak. Looks like we are going to let Israel take care of this. That is what I got out of what he said. Basically he said if they start enriching weapons grade uranium...……..have at it boys.

Not good.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Tks. Satellite only now. Lessened the tension, I imagine.

originally posted by: Tempter
Ugh, it REALLY looks like war is coming.

Are we really going to war over a #ing UAV?

The most you're likely to see is a limited retaliatory strike like we did in Syria. There were a bunch of "War with Syria is here!" predictions here and that it would pull in the Russians if we attacked Syria. We attacked Syria, twice. No war. No Russian involvement.

a reply to: face23785

The exercise report was classified and buried. There's no telling if anyone else saw it.

a reply to: Tempter

If we didn't go to war over all the manned aircraft shot down by the Soviet Union and China in the early part of the Cold War, we're not going to war over a UAV in Iran.

I know it's Debka but worth posting anyway as it might be true....................

"Iran stages snap civil defense drill against air, missile, radiation attacks on Tehran"

www.debka.com...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: face23785

The exercise report was classified and buried. There's no telling if anyone else saw it.

I saw. But obviously the gyst of what happened is out there in the public sphere. I find it hard to believe no one up the chain of command is aware of it and thought maybe we should rework those plans a bit.