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originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: StallionDuck
Just to be a real annoying pain and no offence but it’s the wolf and lamb not a lion 🦁
saiah 11:6 (KJV) 6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Sorry to be that guy but is worth knowing
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Raggedyman
Dude eternity in a place where the flame never stops burning and the worm never stops eating their flesh is eternal/everlasting hell and it is the smoke of their torment is what is said to rise for ever. You just wont believe what the Bible says, so you change it or ignore it. AND THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT (that is their punishment Dude!) ASCENDETH UP FOR EVER:
Let me say it this way, "The smoke of their punishment/torment/judgement ascendeth up forever." It is plain as English and you still don't believe what it says. You know what that means? You are a lost as a pickle at on the waves of the ocean being tossed about by every wind of doctrine ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the Truth (2Tim 3:7).
originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Raggedyman
so can you explain why american christians have a near obsession with "10 commandments " instalations in public and government venues ?
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Raggedyman
so can you explain why american christians have a near obsession with "10 commandments " instalations in public and government venues ?
No idea, ignorant, lazy foolish
www.crosswalk.com...
Jesus died so christians have the Holy Spirit not the law to guide them
Sometimes it is more loving to lie
I would steel of the rich to feed the poor, it’s a sin to steal but watching people starve to death, what’s worse, what’s justifiable?
Many Christians lied to Nazis when they hid Jews, condemn them?
Jesus healed sick people on the sabath, made people healthy and for that was condemned to death
The Ten Commandments were given to Moses for Israel, Jesus ended the law for those in Christ, simple
originally posted by: StallionDuck
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Raggedyman
Dude eternity in a place where the flame never stops burning and the worm never stops eating their flesh is eternal/everlasting hell and it is the smoke of their torment is what is said to rise for ever. You just wont believe what the Bible says, so you change it or ignore it. AND THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT (that is their punishment Dude!) ASCENDETH UP FOR EVER:
Let me say it this way, "The smoke of their punishment/torment/judgement ascendeth up forever." It is plain as English and you still don't believe what it says. You know what that means? You are a lost as a pickle at on the waves of the ocean being tossed about by every wind of doctrine ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the Truth (2Tim 3:7).
It is ALSO written:
For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch. Malachi 4:1
You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this, Says the LORD of hosts. Malachi 4:3
For the day of the LORD upon all the nations is near. . . . . And they shall be as though they had never been. Obadiah 1:15-16
What would you say about Edom....
It shall not be quenched night or day; Its smoke shall ascend forever. From generation to generation it shall lie waste; No one shall pass through it forever and ever. Isaiah 34:10
Not sure this is happening today.
Conclusion:
The punishment will be eternal. But they will not be tormented for eternity.
You can also argue that the Greek phrase translated “forever and ever” here, eis tous aionas ton aionon, which literally means “unto the ages of the ages.” Unto... Until. Stopping point.
Unbelievers perish (John 3:16) and suffer “the punishment of eternal destruction” (2 Thess. 1:8)
the PUNISHMENT of.... Eternal DESTRUCTION. Means... You're not coming back from being destroyed.
originally posted by: StallionDuck
originally posted by: Raggedyman
originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Raggedyman
so can you explain why american christians have a near obsession with "10 commandments " instalations in public and government venues ?
No idea, ignorant, lazy foolish
www.crosswalk.com...
Jesus died so christians have the Holy Spirit not the law to guide them
Sometimes it is more loving to lie
I would steel of the rich to feed the poor, it’s a sin to steal but watching people starve to death, what’s worse, what’s justifiable?
Many Christians lied to Nazis when they hid Jews, condemn them?
Jesus healed sick people on the sabath, made people healthy and for that was condemned to death
The Ten Commandments were given to Moses for Israel, Jesus ended the law for those in Christ, simple
Mathew 5:
17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
originally posted by: StallionDuck
originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: Raggedyman
so can you explain why american christians have a near obsession with "10 commandments " instalations in public and government venues ?
For true
Sides... The commandments still require Christians to follow them. People forget that Jesus said to follow them and also that he did NOT come to change anything.
Now, the punishment of the Jews might be one thing but the commandments still are to be followed.
That they (his words) were pure tried preserved words, kept that way by his power unto me in this generation. That all these words were as he said, inspired by the Holy Ghost
Psalm 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
And these scriptures were given to men who spoke them and wrote them down
2Tim 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [/b[
And that they are not of any private interpretation
2Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
And that in order to interpret them correctly we were to Study and Rightly Divide his words
2Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
I have learned that I or any man can know all that God has revealed to us in his preserved word and know it correctly by just taking God at his word. God would not reveal it in a way that led to confusion or did it in a way that was not clear. His words are very clear and if we familiarize ourselves with them enough we shall know the truth and the truth will set us free.
2Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
If death and punishment are truly eternal, if even one person is still dead and/or in Hell, how can God ever become All in all?...but your Bible and mine say He will.
originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: Lazarus Short
If death and punishment are truly eternal, if even one person is still dead and/or in Hell, how can God ever become All in all?...but your Bible and mine say He will.
I'm a little surprised that StallionDuck responded to this question stating that he didn't know when his previous post sounded like he was stating pretty strongly that the only thing that might be truly eternal is "destruction" and that Hell may be temporary until "the end of the age" when it's thrown into the Lake of Fire. What are your personal thoughts on this, Lazarus? StallionDuck did I misunderstand your post?
Matthew 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Revelation 20:14
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Speaking of the true meaning of "for ever and ever", it's making me look at another verse differently too...
Revelation 20:10
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
I'm just now finding it interesting that the above verse says "tormented day and night". So, maybe "for ever and ever" is just while the earth still exists (or "the end of the age")? When the earth passes away and the new heaven and earth are created, there will be no need for the "day or night".
The 10 commandments were given to Moses, Jesus ended the law for His followers and left christians the Holy Spirit It’s in the book.
Just out of interest, who are Gods people, Jews or Christians, what do you think?
God came down, not His words on a tablet, God came down and dwelled with humanity
You work on faith, love, grace instead of just mouthing it like you have it I don’t see it in love, faith or grace in your condemnation of others, I see no fruit of the Holy Spirit in condemning people over a cross around their necks Pick on the ladies words, her testimony, her greed but a bloody cross around her neck, dear God
Jesus said love others, condemning people, calling them plastic over a cross pendant, that’s not love
It’s so sad you need the law when I teach love
your minister is an idiot who can’t teach and doesn’t care
My fear, you havnt a clue what Christianity is, you have never come close to the truth and you will never come close, I pray God doesn’t crush you to make you search for Him
it’s a hostile environment
"...the Bible says that all death will be done away with, which is called the "second death". That makes NO sense to me. Death does away with death...?
I have read the Bible from cover to cover several times, so yes, I am familiar with it.
So you think because I don't see things your way, that I have no idea? Got it.
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
a reply to: Deetermined
"...the Bible says that all death will be done away with, which is called the "second death". That makes NO sense to me. Death does away with death...?