Was DeLonge/TTSA Chosen To Be The Conduit For Disclosure?

a reply to: beetee
Is that what this disclosure thing is about?

Well, here is some food for thought. What if what they already released is like 70% of what they got?

Which would be more of a bummer, that its just snipits here and there all along, and nobody really has anything concrete. Or that there is some shadowy organization out to keep videos of aliens picking there noses away from you. Even though if released, it will all be called fake and CG anyways?

Well, cant say that radar data that the navy may or may not have, would be all that entertaining to watch for the masses out there, of which only a few are UFO fans.

a reply to: AlexDJ

Well UAP would be a more correct terminology. Or at least based on what people say they saw these things do. So lets say that there is something to it. And if there were and not everybody is bull#ing?

First of all if your bouncing around like a ping pong ball, and going at above supersonic speeds without a single peep or even disturbing the atmosphere and winds.

Well then your technically not flying.

Flying is the process about you use the earths atmosphere to ascend or descend or get by ad diffeernt speeds. Birds, planes, and everything else of that nature, even jet fighters are more or less atmospheric metalic contraption riders, they just ride the atmosphereic winds.

If your just zipping around out there like a ping pong, without even creating a jet of air pressure, and hit the break from super sonic to dead stop and back the other way, then its not likely that your flying. You may have another means of propulsion lets say. But your not riding the atmosphere, flying in what we do as in planes and everything is more like surfing the waves of the ocean if anything else. Without an atmosphere all those planes would be just so much scrap metal, they are tool that only works in certain conditions, which is why they cant go in space or they cant go underwater.

Well, then there you go. So UFOs do not exist and never existed after all, mystery finally freaking solved.

Somebody is a changing up the terminology on you chumps, and moving the narrative goalposts once again.

But I suppose its a more correct definition. That is if its not all bull# to begin with. If I bothered with all this stuff, I would say somebody is a messing with a y'all. But then again....Ducks.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: AlexDJ

I can't seem to escape UFOs/UAPs...its a slow acclimation process for the masses or synchronicity writ large

Tiny flying saucers are actually odd new microbes



That is interesting. No other known organism uses this propulsive swimming technique.

edit on 20-6-2019 by Baablacksheep because: (no reason given)

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

If they already disclosed everything, then a lot of witnesses of the last 50-60 years are lying through their teeth... All of them.

Here is a small list of only six such accounts of missing data, which to my knowledge, has not yet surfaced. Judge for yourself. This is just the smallest tip of the top of a gigantic iceberg of data that has never surfaced. There is much more. Some of the links below will lead you to some threads on this forum with more missing data.

ITEM 01
Location: Scotland / UK
Date of event: August 4th, 1990.
Event
Diamond-shaped object hanging in the air next to a RAF Harrier above the A9 at Calvine, north of Pitlochry in Scotland, on August 4, 1990. Photographed by members of the public.
Material sought:
A number of color photographs were taken and passed to the Scottish Daily Record, who in contacted the MoD, who managed to persuade the reporter to part with not just the photos, but the negatives (1.1).
It has also emerged the MoD went on to commission a series of line drawings of the object the following year, noting that the "sensitivity of the material suggests very special handling" (1.2)
From who:
Ministry of Defence, UK.
Sources / further reading:
1.1 www.nickpope.net...
1.2 www.abovetopsecret.com...

ITEM 02
Location: Roughly 71° north latitude and 20° east longitude in the Norwegian Sea, North Atlantic Ocean / NATO / UK
Date of event: (Possibly 28th) February, 1963, Day 3 of “exercises off Norway”
Event
Radar contact that causes jets to be scrambled. When jets close the contact seemingly dives into the ocean and is tracked by sonar at very high speed while submerged (“hundreds of miles per hour"). (3.1)
Material sought:
Logbooks from the frigate (acting as a destroyer escort) that was removed and replaced with a “brand new” logbook after the incident. (3.1, 3.2, 3.3)
From who:
Ministry of Defence / Royal Navy, UK.
Sources / further reading:
3.1 www.waterufo.net...
3.2 www.abovetopsecret.com...
3.3 www.abovetopsecret.com...

ITEM 03
Location: Sant'Angelo, Treviso, North Eastern Italy
Date of event: June 18th , 1979
Event
The 18 June of 1979 Marshal Giancarlo Cecconi were flying over the airport of Sant'Angelo of Treviso on board of G 91 R airplane, when the Central Radar Control of Istrana (Treviso, in North-Eastern Italy) order him to intercept a strange object that hovering right over the Airport. The marshal executed the order and due that his aircraft was equipped whit a camera he began to release a photo series. At that very moment the Control Tower informed him to approach himself with secures to the object because from the ground this “OBJECT” seemed to emit a brightness blueish. The air traffic controllers, right in those moments, observed the object with their binoculars. Cecconi in reality did not notice this last detail but he continued to release photographies (84 photos!) until that after a last maneuver the object disappeared suddenly from the radar and the sight of the pilot. By the control tower Cecconi marshal was informed that the object had been suddenly vanished heading towards the high.(4.1)
Material sought:
The complete set of about 84 photos, from the cameras aboard the airplane as well as radar tracks and logs from the airport. (4.2)
From who:
Italian Ministry of Defence (Ministero Della Difesa) / Air Force, Italy
Sources / further reading:
4.1 www.abovetopsecret.com...
4.2 www.ufocasebook.com...

ITEM 04
Location: Kecksburg, Pennsylvania, USA
Date of event: December 9th, 1965
Event
At approximately 4:44 PM EST on December 9th, 1965 an unknown fireball was seen and detected entering the atmosphere at a calculated speed of 1,600 km/h by aircraft pilots, witnesses over several states as well Ontario, Canada, and multiple witnesses in the Kecksburg, PA area. The object was said to have dropped molten debris over Michigan and Northern Ohio, which started several grass fires reportedly. Sonic Booms were also heard in western Pennsylvania and by pilots who reported being rocked by shock waves. It was also noted that the smoke trail from the object lasted for around 20 minutes. When the object finally came to rest in Kecksburg, PA police phone lines were jammed with calls from witnesses reporting an object crashing into the woods of Kecksburg. Emergency officials went immediately to the scene. (5.1)
John Murphy reportedly managed to take several rolls of film of the crash site, as well make an audio recording of what he saw. Unfortunately, he could not exit the area before the United States Army arrived to secure the crash site. They are reported to have confiscated all but one roll of film and his audio files. Murphy reportedly (according to his wife) showed one image to his wife. (5.1, 5.2)
Material sought:
The confiscated rolls of film and audio files taken by John Murphy on the crash site. Additionally, the release of documents pertaining to the incident from NASA, which has so far not managed to find two “missing” boxes of files from the incident. (5.3)
From who: US Army, NASA, USA
Sources / further reading:
5.1 www.abovetopsecret.com...
5.2 en.wikipedia.org...
5.3 www.abovetopsecret.com...

ITEM 05
Location:Atmosphere at approximate altitude of 58 miles in an X-51
Date of event: 11th of May, 1962
Event
On May 11, 1962, NASA pilot Joseph Walker said one of his tasks was to detect UFOs during his X-15 flights. He claimed to have filmed five or six UFOs during his record breaking 50-mile-high flight in April 1962.

During a lecture at the Second National Conference on the Peaceful Uses of Space Research in Seattle, Walker said: "I don't feel like speculating about them. All I know is what appeared on the film developed after the flight." (7.1)
Material sought:
The developed film shot by Joseph Walker, showing “UFOs” during the X-15 flights.
From who:
NASA
Sources / further reading:
7.1 clevelandbanner.com...

ITEM 06
Location: Edwards Air Force Base, California, USA
Date of event: June, 1958
Event
Small disc shaped craft that was “hovering above the ground. And then it slowly came down and sat on the lake bed for a few minutes." All during this time the motion picture cameras were filming away…
Col. Cooper was not fortunate enough to be outside at the time of this incredible encounter, but he did see the films as soon as they were rushed through the development process.
After he reviewed the film at least a dozen times, the footage was quickly forwarded to Washington. Cooper no doubt expected to get a reply in a few weeks' time as to what his men had seen and photographed, but there was no word, and the movie *vanished* - never to surface again... “ (9.1, 9.2)
Material sought:
The film shot and developed on Edvards Air Force Base of an disc shaped object, with landing gear landing on the dry lake bed, then taking off again.
From who: US Air Force, USA
Sources / further reading:
9.1 www.metacafe.com...
9.2
ufomedia.blogspot.no...

originally posted by: The GUT
This should explain it all. Short version:

Full Disclosure:

Holy crap. Go to 42:45. Delonge shows a crappy CGI clip as evidence of craft using "zero point energy".
Rogan call it out and says -
'"if that was a movie I want my money back" and Delonge is COMPLETELY confused at how Joe could possibly doubt this clip. He has no clue or the slightest notion of critical thinking? Look at his face when he says "why".
What a disaster? How could we rely on someone who literally can't tell fact from fiction to be the conduit for disclosure?

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan
a reply to: MissSmartypants

Not at all. He has chosen to make a ton of money on gullible people, he tells lies and science fiction, but no truths.
Sorry

I wonder when "doing it for money" would pop up! If he wanted to make loads of money, why leave a popular band that mskes millions. Your logic makes no sense. You really think he would make more money doing this?

Ok ok, he is doing it for you. No other reasons at all... lol
He is the choosen one, as per the OP´s question...

If he doesnt reveal aliens to be true though, please realize your an idiot... and remember to pay for stuff he sells, even though eh doesnt need money according to you...

a reply to: joelr

I wish that Rogan used the same incredulity in his BL and his minder interview last week. But they went to dinner the night before, so.... I guess they became buddies.

originally posted by: Macenroe82
People either love Tom or hate him.

I look at the People who are involved in UFOlogy and think, none have a super team like that of what Delong put together.

None have gotten their work this far into the main stream, that ufo’s Are actually becoming accepted as part of life.

You can't credit Mr. Stink182 with UFO's being accepted by the mainstream. That came courtesy of the Nimitz encounter and the change in the reporting of UFO's to the US Navy. Demongy had nothing to do with that...

originally posted by: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan
a reply to: MissSmartypants

Not at all. He has chosen to make a ton of money on gullible people, he tells lies and science fiction, but no truths.
Sorry

I wonder when "doing it for money" would pop up! If he wanted to make loads of money, why leave a popular band that mskes millions. Your logic makes no sense. You really think he would make more money doing this?

Ok ok, he is doing it for you. No other reasons at all... lol
He is the choosen one, as per the OP´s question...

If he doesnt reveal aliens to be true though, please realize your an idiot... and remember to pay for stuff he sells, even though eh doesnt need money according to you...

No, he is doing it for himself, because he loves the subject and wants the truth. Don't bring up money when obvious it is not about money. If he wanted yo makes more millions, then he would have been still doing music.

Before you dig yourself a digger hole, why dont you look at my past post about him! And when did I ever post that these ufos are Alien? Please enlighten me!

So basically, you have taken that one post and said I believe everything he says, buty all his stuff, brlieve ufos are ET lol

Seriously! Read before you make stupid comments!

a reply to: djz3ro

He had everything to do with it.
The Nimitz encounter - Yes the Navy experienced that.

TDL tweeted about it a few years back, got people interested, then Bam TTSA in conjunction with the NYT article, brings to the public the "Tic Tac" ufo.

Sure people had heard about the Nimitz encounter beforehand, perhaps talked about it on a youtube video or two.
But TDL brought that encounter to every person's living room, then the NYT's reinforced it with their article.

As I said, love him or hate him - either way, he has brought a lot of the UFO topic into the mainstream.

a reply to: MissSmartypants

Tom was not chosen unless you mean he chose to do it himself.
I am still hoping that he is able to deliver on his promises.
I have been disappointed with his efforts so far... but I remain open and hopeful that there is more to come.

a reply to: MissSmartypants

Tom said many things that don't match up with where he is at now;

The following is quoted directly from TDL in an interview on Coast2Coast with George Knapp on March 27th, 2016 when promoting his first "Sekret Machines" novel.
Time stamp; Hour 2

TDL ;

These weapons/technology were given by accident and by design to us, the Russian and others to see who was the stronger, which is kinda scary. Whoever survives, they will work with whose left.

"there is a very strong link between what people think demons are from the Bible and other religions and the ufo phenomenon.

What you have is something that doesn't like man, period and something thay feels jealous of or err has some kind of plan for what man is to be."

Now thats kind of odd, when the reason that the same people have put forward for the funding for AATIP to be discontinued was due to concerns that what they were doing was "demonic" due to religious reasons of other senators when they found out the program was being funded etc and how the TTSA crew and others stated including Knapp, was a ridiculous reason. Knapp and others even stated that names of those people would be eventually be known and they belittled them?

Isn't this a huge contradiction? A literal contradiction?

There is a strong link between the others and demons apparently...if true why belittle the people that wanted the pony show closed down for being demonic send then rip into the people that wanted it closing?

TDL read this out, communication from one of his advisors;

I have a quote here I should read you;
With the link of aliens who created man, who then created Gods to keep us in our place, be worth something keeping Sekret?

I think so, we are talking of the biggest institutions on the planet and the world's major religions. It's bigger than just the big bad US government and going back to the greeks, Russians, Germans, make it sufficiently global across centuries.

Maybe evidence of dissappeared ancient cultures. Easter island, the maya, the inca, that's evidence of what happens to those that did not obey. Thus encouraged the Sekret to be kept.

Could the story evolve from how men, different groups of men exploited this technology, to see how this entire Sekret is uncovered, rewriting world history and shattering many of the holy well regarded world institutions.

Except, this time when they come to wipe us out, like the other ones, we're actually ready for them.

That readiness is another example, why things have been kept quiet for so long and has been a strange international partnership indeed."

So the Russians and most other developed nations are all working together on this, but roll on a few years and it's all "Russians and Chinese"?? A lot can change in 3yrs I guess..

TDL;

I think part of the cover-up is a psychological operation, so that the occupants of the ufos themselves still think we know nothing about them.

originally posted by: beetee
We know from witnesses going back at least 50 years that someone in the US government, or at least aligned with it, is sitting on what has to be hours of footage of these things. In sterling quality. Even in the Nimitz case.

On top of this there must be a veritable mountain of other sensor data from all these years, with information it would take the scientific community years to even begin to assess. And instead of sharing even a portion of it, they are holding on to it for dear life.

Relase the missing radar and sonar data from the Princeton and the sub, and I will be a little more impressed. Along with all of the video captured by the planes in original quality.

Release all of the missing data from the last 50 years along with a honest assessment of the situation and said data, and I will start thinking they are finally disclosing.

I don't understand how, in the light of more than 50 years of tight lipped denial, we can call three very short videos disclosure?

It's like throwing a breadcrumb from your wagon train of delicious bread and exclaim: "See how I am sharing?"

Would you expect the starving hordes to be thankful for your generosity? And, of course, you don't just serve it up, but you make sure it is known the breadcrumb is maybe a bit tainted.

And then you throw it to a select few to portion out to whomever they choose, and in what manner they see fit.

And then you sit back and watch the fights break out.

This is a fantastic analogy and really highlights why this truly cannot be considered disclosure. The insane thing, if it wasn't for some humans and their need to put stock in ancient surpersticious beliefs and sky people (who, let's face it, if technologically advanced races do exist out there is far more likely than the God of the Gaps) there would be far less reason to hide extraterrestrial life.

Humanity has too long been held back by religion. When is enough really enough?

originally posted by: MissSmartypants

originally posted by: charlyv

originally posted by: Justso
a reply to: MissSmartypants
Nothing seems to have come from his pr and disclosures. I think he's a phony, weird and not cool. Would love to be proven wrong. He seemed to be having a good time with it.

His creation of TTSA is responsible for History Channel producing "Unidentified", which is probably one of the best UFO related docu-series ever. He is an organizer, not a Scientist.

Very true...but let's also keep in mind that none of this would be happening if the Department of Defense weren't facilitating it.

So I'm not sure how smart TDL is or he was selected by the DOD to help release the information. No clue.

If he was, it would in some ways make sense. He's a former rockstar - literally. Sold millions of records - people know who he is. If you have someone who was "cool" at one point in time to the masses saying "this is a thing" and then delivering results you'll probably get more play by the MSM (which they do) and more interest by the less interested masses because it's no coming from someone who's a "UFO whackjob". This would let the DOD control the message nicely and slowly but surely indirectly drip out what they want us to know in a way that will hit the MSM and get coverage in the way they want it. I find that plausible.

That said, I think he's just a guy who has an interest in this subject, some money/noteriety and worked his way in with the right people to release a few things... nothing beyond that.

a reply to: Jay-morris

OP asked if Tom was the choosen one, I said NO, he is doing it for the money/power/attention, call it what you will. And then you show up, and take MY comment about money, out of context. Do you even understand what the OP is about?

then i said this

Ok ok, he is doing it for you. No other reasons at all... lol He is the choosen one, as per the OP´s question...

and mentions that he DOES take money for the stuff he is selling.... But all you see is money money money....

No, he is doing it for himself, because he loves the subject and wants the truth. Don't bring up money when obvious it is not about money. If he wanted yo makes more millions, then he would have been still doing music.

If you want to talk money, then please explain to me, why he is charging people for the stuff he is selling, if he doesnt need money?
If he wanted the truth out there, he would say "hey guys, i know EVERYTHING and iam gonna tell you EVERYTHING, just listen" but that is not what he is doing, is it? so what does he say? well something like this "hey guys, i know EVERYTHING, cant tell you nothing, but i know, and you can buy my book if you want"

So when the OP ask if he is the choosen one, that will make full disclosure real, I say NO, but he will sell you his book, and that is money, no matter how much you try to argue that he doesnt need any more money. Why does ALL billionaires in the world try to make more money every single day? they dont need them?
What part of this dont you understand?

Before you dig yourself a digger hole, why dont you look at my past post about him! And when did I ever post that these ufos are Alien? Please enlighten me!

Why should I? Where did I post anything about you claiming that? I was answering the OP´s question, and you told me i was wrong, that you just have been waiting for somebody to mention money... and asked me if i was really thinking that he would make more money doing this? lol Of couse not, but he does make money, and he does NOT disclosure anything! But i NEVER said he was making more money doing this, i was saying he makes money doing this, and he has revealed NOTHING... It sounds like you where saying the answer to the OPs question was yes.. But of course now i realize that you where just trolling, waiting for someone to say the word money, so you could jump in, in the middle of a debate and discuss money... but that is not what we are talking about here...

So basically, you have taken that one post and said I believe everything he says, buty all his stuff, brlieve ufos are ET lol

Well, basically, you have taken that one comment about money, use to describe why my answer to OP´s question was NO, and turned it into that i just believe he is gonna make millions on this, much more than on music and that is what i believe.... lol and then you blame me for doing the same? grow up....

Seriously! Read before you make stupid comments!

This speaks for itself... you should listen to your own advice, and stop your trolling...

TTSA appears to be a fairly obvious cutout which is odd as "obvious" runs somewhat counter to the use of this tactic.
Perhaps it's intentional, this overt usage of one of the most well-worn tools in the box. If we're shown the tool, we won't contest the work.
Or distrust the worker.

a reply to: NoFearsEqualsFreeMan

It's obvious he has a passion for the subject, gullible or not. Hence the reason he gave up his fame to do this full time. It's quite obvious he DoD not do this to make money. Why leave a band that makes him millions to do something that will not even make a quarter of what he made in blink 182. Does not make sense at all.

As for you using the weak argument that he sells stuff. Of course he would TTSA is an organization, and just like any organization, need fundung/money. So yes, they sell stuff. Absolutly nothing wrong with that. And people saying he is doing it for attention. Again, does not make sense. He was in one of the most successful bands at the time, and was getting plenty of attention. If he still craved attention, why the hell quit music?

So, to me, he is obsessed with the subject, and wanted to turn it into a full time thing. Not rocket science really!

originally posted by: joelr

originally posted by: The GUT
This should explain it all. Short version:

Full Disclosure:

Holy crap. Go to 42:45. Delonge shows a crappy CGI clip as evidence of craft using "zero point energy".
Rogan call it out and says -
'"if that was a movie I want my money back" and Delonge is COMPLETELY confused at how Joe could possibly doubt this clip. He has no clue or the slightest notion of critical thinking? Look at his face when he says "why".
What a disaster? How could we rely on someone who literally can't tell fact from fiction to be the conduit for disclosure?

Yeah, it was cringy watching that. If you want to be in this subject full time, and try and get some sort of disclosure, then don't believe everything you read or see. The footage is obvious CGI, and it's worrying that he thought it was real

originally posted by: Jay-morris
If he still craved attention, why the hell quit music?

Forty-something punk rockers don't really cut it these days. He had to quit at some point.

However, in Tom's case , I think you're absolutely correct that he has a UFO obsession and simply put his money where his mouth is, full-time. Can't really fault him for that.

But is he being USED?

With a rogues gallery of ex-spooks on his team, including a SERPO hoaxer, it's just as well he hasn't recruited the Dark Lord Richard Doty - who is probably cackling in the shadows, envisioning Bennewitz Mark II.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit

originally posted by: Jay-morris
If he still craved attention, why the hell quit music?

Forty-something punk rockers don't really cut it these days. He had to quit at some point.

However, in Tom's case , I think you're absolutely correct that he has a UFO obsession and simply put his money where his mouth is, full-time. Can't really fault him for that.

But is he being USED?

With a rogues gallery of ex-spooks on his team, including a SERPO hoaxer, it's just as well he hasn't recruited the Dark Lord Richard Doty - who is probably cackling in the shadows, envisioning Bennewitz Mark II.

He could be being used, no doubt about that. My problem is, I think he is too gullible. I truely believe, like you said, that he made this subject full time because of the love he has for it.

Just annoys me these people saying he is doing it for money. Makes no sense at all.