Trying to resolve 9/11

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
Evidence was removed before there could be a forensic investigation.

Nope. For the twin towers, the columns were inspected and identified at the pile, then shipped to fresh kills for further examination. The rubble was sent to fresh killed for hand sorting by conveyor belt. Over 19,000 pieces of human remains recovered. 6,000 of those pieces could fit in a test tube. Not one piece of demolition’s shrapnel recovered and not one piece of blasting cap recovered by the NYPD.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

You still never watched the video did you?
Btw, how are you making out "looking for a propaganda" to FINALLY answer all the points I brought up in earlier post????

Why would I find anything you post credible when you post blatantly false arguments like

I saw them falling... STRAIGHT DOWN

and still no evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon...

How did I post "blatantly false arguments" when I can see with my own eyes how straight down the 3 buildings fell. Maybe you need to see an optometrist and then after tests and prescription, review the videos for confirmation of what we saw from day 1.

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
Evidence was removed before there could be a forensic investigation.

Nope. For the twin towers, the columns were inspected and identified at the pile, then shipped to fresh kills for further examination. The rubble was sent to fresh killed for hand sorting by conveyor belt. Over 19,000 pieces of human remains recovered. 6,000 of those pieces could fit in a test tube. Not one piece of demolition’s shrapnel recovered and not one piece of blasting cap recovered by the NYPD.

You have evidence of that? Did you witness the inspection? You have reports of such inspection to show? How did they inspect EVERY piece of debris of " should be 3 buildings not 2"? Who did the inspection?
I hope NIST was not involved

a reply to: openedeyesandears

How did I post "blatantly false arguments" when I can see with my own eyes how straight down the 3 buildings fell.

Does the below collapse of the twin towers core columns look like they fell straight down.



If the towers fell straight down, how did WTC 7, 5, 6 get damage?

If WTC 7 fell straight down, how did WTC 7 fall straight down across a street to damage Fiterman Hall?

Why you avoiding your comment of?

and still no evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon..

If you didn’t say the above, apologize?

a reply to: openedeyesandears

The sorting and examination of the debris is well documented. Especially the 19,000 human remains turned over to the NY coroner’s office. Along with DNA testings of the human remains that identified victims and hijackers, Along with numerous personal items like watches and ID cards.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: neutronflux
Why were live news reporters saying 'it looks like a controlled demolition'?

because with a quick view of it happening one could see how it may look like a controlled demolition and why so many would agree it was but after being able to review the collapses due to all the video its quite obvious it wasn't.

Why?

simple

what other controlled demolitions begin half way up or higher up on the building and not at at its base?

The real question should be is why do so many still claim demolition when its easy to examine the collapse via many sources of video and see where the collapse began and how coincidentally it was at the points of the plane impact.

Yes - before the cores disintergrated and blew away in the wind....

If you watch low quality YouTube footage then it certainly can seem so, without questioning why it looks that way, but it seems some that say people just believe what the hear are just as guilty of the same when a YouTube video shows them low quality footage and the narrator or video title puts the conclusion in their head that it disintegrated

that myth was cleared up when the footage was debated many years ago.

Its either a shame you're ignorant to this or worse a disgrace why you would keep pushing such nonsense.

a reply to: openedeyesandears

September 11, 2001 and aftermath

en.m.wikipedia.org...

After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Fresh Kills was temporarily re-opened to be used as a sorting ground for roughly one-third of the rubble from Ground Zero. More than 1,600 personal effects were retrieved during this time. About 1.6 million tons of material obtained from Ground Zero was taken to the landfill for sorting.[17]

Thousands of detectives and forensic evidence specialists worked for over 1.7 million hours at Fresh Kills Landfill to try to recover remnants of the people killed in the attacks. A final count of 4,257 human remains was retrieved, but only 300 people were identified from these remains. A memorial is being built to honor those whose identities were not able to be determined from the debris.[18] The remaining waste was buried in a 40-acre (160,000 m2) portion of the landfill; it is highly likely that this debris still contains fragmentary human remains.[19]

More Human Remains Found At Ground Zero
By RICHARD ESPOSITO AND AARON KATERSKY

abcnews.go.com...

The sifting operation took place at Fresh Kill Landfills in Staten Island, where the new debris was brought and run through a series of conveyor belts that sort debris by size. In the immediate aftermath of the attack, the debris from the site yielded driver's licenses, rings, watches, wallets, shoes -- boxes and boxes of poignant reminders of the cost in human lives. This time, the sorting yielded bone fragments.

As of January 2010, the Medical Examiner's office had identified 1626 Ground Zero victims, or 59 percent of a reported 2,752 total. As of that date 21,744 remains had been recovered and 12,768, or 59 percent, had been identified.
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a reply to: neutronflux

I asked for a report not what Wikipedia BS or Government controlled news media say.
I'm sure you can do better than that.
And if the sorting and examination of the debris is well documented... it should not be that hard to show evidence then.

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

I asked for a report not what Wikipedia BS or Government controlled news media.
I'm sure you can do better than that.
And if the sorting and examination of the debris is well documented... it should not that hard to show evidence then.

So. You you cannot produce actual evidence of columns being actively cut from the video, audio, photographic, seismic evidence.

Proof? As in how the floor connections were stripped away from the vertical columns. Not cut.

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers

app.aws.org...

Summary

Analysis of the connections supporting the composite floor system of the WTC towers showed that at and below the im- pact floors, the greater majority (above 90%) of the floor truss connections were either bent downward or completely re- moved from the exterior column. This was probably related to the overloading of the floors below the impact region after col- lapse initiation. Depending upon weld joint geometry, detachment of the main load-bearing seats was a result of either fracture in the heat affected zone of the base material (standoff plate detached from spandrel) or through the weld metal (seat angle detached from standoff plate). Failure in both cases was assumed to be a result of a shear mechanism as a result of overloading from floors above impacting those below. There did not appear to be a significant change in distribution of failure modes of the floor truss connections when comparing those connections inside vs. outside of the impact region or those ex- posed to pre-collapse fires and those that were not.

a reply to: openedeyesandears

review the videos for confirmation of what we saw from day 1.

That the twin towers collapse initiated around where the planes impacted,

Please show other controlled demolitions beginning that high up on buildings?

If the towers was so obviously controlled demolition then that implies all demolitions begin more than half way up,

please show just one

a reply to: InhaleExhale

You can start detonation where ever you want to make it look credible...

a reply to: neutronflux

Why AGAIN do you change the subject when YOU said it was well documented... SHOW PROOF


Oh, maybe it's not that well documented after all...

a reply to: neutronflux

Also you never discuss as to why the USA went to war in Iraq ( on false claims) and after OBL when most of the "terrorists" were from Saudi Arabia.
You never talk about that 9/11 Commission Report that was heavily doctored by Henry Kissinger... oops no, Bush's other buddy (you get it?)
You never talk about why there was never any military planes protecting the Pentagon and the towers when they had plenty of time to do so and don't tell me because of confusion due to that exercise... it was meant to be.
You never talk about your expert terrorist pilots that couldn't even fly a Cessna let alone an airliner and fly better that any professional pilots out there.
You never talk about the PNAC document a year before 9/11 mentioning " Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event- like a new Pearl Harbor...". They got their new Pearl Harbor and went after the countries mentioned in that document written by most of the ones in power on 9/11.
You never talk about...
You never talk about...
I could go on all day but if you want to be blind and try to brainwash ATS members, well good luck. We know better.
I know you won't answer half of what is mentioned here and I don't care. Stop your bull# and name calling, wake up and smell the coffee.







Thank God I'm a patient man.
I'm still waiting for an answer and it's not the first time I bring this up.

The reason being is that you push for that no CD propaganda and never discuss anything else because... you can't without looking foolish.

a reply to: neutronflux




If that is not straight down, I wonder what that is.
If I ever meet you somewhere, I'll buy you a level

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: InhaleExhale

You can start detonation where ever you want to make it look credible...

WOW, detonation?

Yes you can detonate explosives anywhere, we are not talking about detonation but controlled demolition.

You know your claims.... or my mistake, your parroted claims that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.

The controlled part of the term controlled demolition is a big clue that seems to completely elude you.





Can you also tell with your eyes alone which trail in the sky is a chemtrail by any chance?

a reply to: InhaleExhale


You know your claims.... or my mistake, your parroted claims that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.




Good one lol

a reply to: openedeyesandears

Why AGAIN do you change the subject when YOU said it was well documented... SHOW PROOF

and then your very next post is trying to change the discussion about demolition

Also you never discuss as to why the USA went to war in Iraq ( on false claims) and after OBL when most of the "terrorists" were from Saudi Arabia. You never talk about that 9/11 Commission Report that was heavily doctored by Henry Kissinger... oops no, Bush's other buddy (you get it?) You never talk about why there was never any military planes protecting the Pentagon and the towers when they had plenty of time to do so and don't tell me because of confusion due to that exercise... it was meant to be.

any rational person will discuss this when it is what is being discussed.

you cannot show anything to back your parroted claims and then complain about subject change in which you do the very next post.

This has to be some sort of joke, right?

The reason being is that you push for that no CD propaganda and never discuss anything else because... you can't without looking foolish.

No its because what this recent discussion is about.

You fail to provide anything other than ...... I watch YouTube.

complain about subject change and then try to do it yourself and move away from showing anything like just one video of other buildings that have a controlled demolition begin over half way up.

a reply to: openedeyesandears

Provide proof of what?

For the twin towers, the floor connections failed before the vertical columns.
Then the vertical columns toppled once the lateral support of the floor system collapsed.

What an event that we know cut several core columns looked like when a jet hit the towers.


The sound of the explosion / impact made it to the video recorder.


WTC 2. Collapse initiation.


No evidence of explosions. No evidence of columns being cut. There is no audio of a detonation with the force to cut one core column, much less several at the same instance. The collapse initiation shows no evidence the initiation was from somewhere other the the jet impacts. No cascade of structural failures up to the point of impact.

The core columns left standing in the wake of the floor system collapse. Then welds broken as the columns toppled.




This study proves the floor connections were not cut.

Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
app.aws.org...

Summary

Analysis of the connections supporting the composite floor system of the WTC towers showed that at and below the im- pact floors, the greater majority (above 90%) of the floor truss connections were either bent downward or completely re- moved from the exterior column. This was probably related to the overloading of the floors below the impact region after col- lapse initiation. Depending upon weld joint geometry, detachment of the main load-bearing seats was a result of either fracture in the heat affected zone of the base material (standoff plate detached from spandrel) or through the weld metal (seat angle detached from standoff plate). Failure in both cases was assumed to be a result of a shear mechanism as a result of overloading from floors above impacting those below. There did not appear to be a significant change in distribution of failure modes of the floor truss connections when comparing those connections inside vs. outside of the impact region or those ex- posed to pre-collapse fires and those that were not.

a reply to: neutronflux

Why AGAIN do you change the subject when YOU said it was well documented... SHOW PROOF

and then your very next post is trying to change the discussion about demolition

Also you never discuss as to why the USA went to war in Iraq ( on false claims) and after OBL when most of the "terrorists" were from Saudi Arabia. You never talk about that 9/11 Commission Report that was heavily doctored by Henry Kissinger... oops no, Bush's other buddy (you get it?) You never talk about why there was never any military planes protecting the Pentagon and the towers when they had plenty of time to do so and don't tell me because of confusion due to that exercise... it was meant to be.

any rational person will discuss this when it is what is being discussed.

you cannot show anything to back your parroted claims and then complain about subject change in which you do the very next post.

This has to be some sort of joke, right?

The reason being is that you push for that no CD propaganda and never discuss anything else because... you can't without looking foolish.

No its because what this recent discussion is about.

You fail to provide anything other than ...... I watch YouTube.

complain about subject change and then try to do it yourself and move away from showing anything like just one video of other buildings that have a controlled demolition begin over half way up.



You still won't answer my questions and you wonder why ATS members see you as foolish and for pushing what you're told

originally posted by: openedeyesandears


a reply to: InhaleExhale

You know your claims.... or my mistake, your parroted claims that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition.




Good one lol


Huh?



is this suppose to be a quote or are you having some sort of seizure.

So you are not parroting things from YouTube videos?

They got their new Pearl Harbor

This is, if I remember almost a direct quote from numerous YouTube videos.