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No. Thats true. There are quite a few floors involved, it is where it all started. It had to be this way so a misdirection can be done on the public in blaming the plane on the collapse rather than the controlled demolition.
originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux
You have offered many posts here, over many years, and still have not been able to prove the OCT.
Pictures and propaganda talking points repeated endlessly prove nothing except their falsity and the desperation of those still promoting the grand lie.
originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux
And neither can you provide any facts or evidence validating the official conspiracy theory.
Even as you completely ignore facts and evidence that work against that official theory.
You have mentioned this a few times, you are really missing something here. Any charges where the plane hit where no longer required, the plane done the demolition work there. As for all the rest of the charges throughout the building, how could the plane affect them?
FAQs - NIST WTC 7 Investigation
In addition, no blast sounds were heard on the audio tracks of video recordings during the collapse of WTC 7 or reported by witnesses. According to calculations by the investigation team, the smallest blast capable of failing the building's critical column would have resulted in a sound level of 130 decibels (dB) to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile, if unobstructed by surrounding buildings. This sound level is consistent with a gunshot blast, standing next to a jet plane engine, and more than 10 times louder than being in front of the speakers at a rock concert.
WTC - WTC2 Initiation Close Up
Failure of Welded Floor Truss Connections from the Exterior Wall during Collapse of the World Trade Center Towers
Analysis of the connections supporting the composite floor system of the WTC towers showed that at and below the im- pact floors, the greater majority (above 90%) of the floor truss connections were either bent downward or completely re- moved from the exterior column. This was probably related to the overloading of the floors below the impact region after col- lapse initiation
The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.
The CIA’s assessment, in which officials have said they have high confidence, is the most definitive to date linking Mohammed to the operation and complicates the Trump administration’s efforts to preserve its relationship with a close ally. A team of 15 Saudi agents flew to Istanbul on government aircraft in October and killed Khashoggi inside the Saudi Consulate, where he had gone to pick up documents that he needed for his planned marriage to a Turkish woman.
2. The group which probably planned and set-up the attack on the World Trade Center was most likely a mix of Russian/Israeli Mafiya, ex-KGB and Israeli secret service, with the assistance of David Kimche (Mossad agent), Meir Dagan (head of the Israeli Mossad), Adnan Khashoggi and Sheikh Kamal Adham (former head of Saudi Intelligence), Richard Armitage and Richard Secord. Kimche, Armitage and Secord are the only field intelligence operatives identified in the world press as having field management responsibility for Al Qaeda mercenaries. Khashoggi is documented to have coordinated similar types of false “terrorist” attacks in Russia, with the participation of CIA and Israeli agents working with Chechen Mafya (with its strong likages to the Yeltsin Family.)
3. The group that probably arranged for operational cover in the US, and intelligence support the operation required most likely consists of re-united participants in the Iran-Contra dealings of the 1980’s. This group has been working in concert in Central Asia, using Baku, Azerbaijan as a base of operations since the early 1990s. This group of former Iran-Contra
a) Adnan Khashoggi: whose Azerbaijan banks "played a big part in the formation of terrorist camps and in the
opening of laboratories for developing chemical and bacteriological weapons in Nagornyy Karabakh” was a major
mover of illegal gold; major investor and founder in Barrick; was a major investor in Oryx (financial backer of
Huffman Aviation- the flight school that provided training to eleven 9/11 hijackers); and business
partner with General William Lyon – founder of diploma mills which are linked to the access to the US for two
hijackers. Khashoggi also is linked to the funding of the “9/11 Truth Movement” in an attempt to monitor and
control civilian inquiries into the events surrounding 9/11.
b) Richard Secord: a former U.S. Air Force major general who had been helping to recruit and train the Azerbaijani
army as well as regional secret services in conjunction with David Kimche, and was reported to have assisted in
the recruitment of Al Qaeda mercenaries and Osama Bin Laden for deployment in Azerbaijan;
c) Richard Armitage: who managed illegal gold funds for George HW Bush during Iran-Contra period; who acted as a
consultant to Halliburton and Unocal at the time, and was President of the US-Azerbaijani Chamber of
Commerce. Armitage had demonstrated a history of visits to Pakistan and the rest of Central Asia, and was
reported to have assisted in the recruitment of Al Qaeda mercenaries and Osama Bin Laden for
deployment in Azerbaijan;
d) Farhad Azima, a US arms merchant with Iranian background, a member of the US-Azerbaijani Chamber of
Commerce, who assisted Richard Secord in recruiting, transporting and training mujahedin mercenaries. He was
owner of the Azerbaijan Airlines, and has a twenty year old relationship with the Iran-Contra syndicate. He is
significant co-investor with Wally Hilliard of Huffman Aviation in a small California electronics company
e) Khalid bin Mahfouz, owner, with the bin Laden family and members of the Saudi royal family of the Saudi oil
companies Delta Oil and Nimir Oil. Both are partners with Unocal in Azerbaijan and partners in multiple Bush
family enterprises. He is a major investor along with Khashoggi in Barrick and TrizecHahn. (TrizecHahn was the
landlord to the corporate headquarters of Halliburton and Enron.)
f) Dick Cheney, as CEO of Halliburton, lobbyist for the Azerbaijan International Operating Company, on US-
Azerbaijani Chamber of Commerce; participant in Congressional hearings that let Iran-Contra participants off-
the-hook. Dick Cheney’s role in the attack on the WTC is most thoroughly treated in the book Crossing the
Rubicon, by Michael C. Ruppert, where Cheney is demonstrated to be fully accountable for the activities of
NORAD and FEMA on September 11. John Mann, in Rise of the Vulcans- The History of Bush’s War Cabinet,
describes Cheney as “one of the principal defenders of the Reagan administration’s conduct in Iran Contra.”
g) David Kimche, Israeli Mossad agent who brought Israeli agents and mercenaries into Azerbaijan at the request
of Secord, and worked with Secord and the regional secret service organizations of Azerbaijan and
Kazakhstan. He was a participant in the October Surprise and Iran-Contra scandal, and consultant to Manuel
h) Porter Goss, former CIA agent and Congressman, now Director of the CIA. He met with Mahmoud Ahmad,
Director of the Pakistani Secret Service (ISI) shortly before and after 9/11. Mahmoud Ahmad was
responsible for providing $100,000 in funding to Mohammed Atta. Goss has not been identified with any
Azerbaijani activity, but has been identified with Iran-Contra activity.
i) George Bush Sr., who (according to several eyes witnesses) authorized the Iran-Contra and October Surprise
operations (although Congressional investigators concluded he was not involved), initiated the US covert
operations in Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, authorized the creation of the illegal Durham/Brady Bonds which went
secretly to Russia, and authorized the assignment of $10 billion in un-mined gold reserves to Barrick. He later
sat on the Advisory Board of Directors for Barrick.
j) Robert Mueller, who as US Attorney headed the Iran-Contra and the BCCI investigations and trial found little
fault with Bush Sr., also was responsible for the FBI investigation of 9/11.
originally posted by: CrazyFox
Here are some links about the steel for you to go thru and explain how it fits the official narrative. Perhaps one should research the Pentagon explosion as well.
where did the steel go??
where did the steel go link 2
Ask yourself how would a CIA asset, whose families had long ties to the Bush family, said to be hiding in a cave somewhere, on dialysis, be able to co-ordinate the largest attack on US soil in generations?
A helicopter at a hundred feet is only 100 decibels vs the 130 decibels from an explosion with the force to cut steel columns. I would say it’s very easy to hear a helicopter pass overhead in a city. But there is no audio of explosions from the WTC indicative of an explosion with the force to cut steel columns. No sound of a 130 detonation that would be very prominent, and would have echoed about the buildings.
When the collapse of each twin tower was initiated there was: -no detonations with the force to create audio of 130 decibels indicative of an explosive with the force to cut steel columns.
why should I care.
originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux
I do get it. I so wish the official story was right, I really do. I am not prepared to sacrifice my cognition though to hold onto this dead weight.
do get it. I so wish the official story was right, I really do. I am not prepared to sacrifice my cognition though to hold onto this dead weight.
How does a plane magically pass through one of the pentagon rings without touching it? Propaganda. Wake the hell up or just leave it to natural selection to sort out. Your call.
[Pentagon Rings and the Exit Hole]
Bringing Closure to the 9/11 Pentagon Debate
Internal Column Damage: Figure 7 taken from The Pentagon Building Performance Report depicts internal column damage. At the top, red and blue squares depict missing and severely damaged columns. Green and yellow squares show columns with less damage. The width of the damage at the west wall (top) is about 100 feet, which is consistent with the impact of the fuselage, engines, and the heavy parts of the wings of a Boeing 757. As the fuselage moved into the building, it was shredded and scattered to the sides along its path, but a cone of decreasing width of material maintained enough focus to break through and make a hole in the C ring wall. The dark shaded area of the figure is where the building collapsed about 30 minutes after impact. The first floor area with damage but no collapse filled up with debris without the first floor ceiling collapsing. All these observations support the impact with the façade and passage of a large plane through the building primarily at the first floor level.
A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE COLLAPSE OF WTC TOWERS 1, 2 & 7 FROM AN EXPLOSIVES AND CONVENTIONAL DEMOLITION INDUSTRY VIEWPOINT
By Brent Blanchard
August 8, 2006