Trying to resolve 9/11

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Hulseyreport

There was no flight path to WTC 7 that would make such an attack feasible. This has a long history of being debated.

Flight 23 was scheduled to leave JFK airport in New York to go to Los Angeles.. It was about to take off when the attacks were ongoing and order was received to stop the flight.

It make perfect sense the target was WTC7

Timmons confirmed that as the pilot grabbed the crash ax, she jumped from her seat and started barricading the cockpit door. From the other side of the barricade the cabin crew relayed their concern about four young Arab men in first-class who became agitated when the take-off was cancelled and fled from the plane when it returned to the terminal. Box cutters and Al Qaeda documents were later found in their luggage.

So whoever these guys were escaped and the question is how did they getaway? There should have been a wide search for this men. You have to brainless to believe the official story

Another widely forgotten action was the White House received a code message that airforce One was a target. Someone delivered a code message to the White House itself claiming Angel is next and specific coding was given over it alleged.

That threat is essentially scrubbed from most 9/11 official records, and who send the message to the White House?

www.cbsnews.com...

They also feared that Air Force One itself was a target. Cheney told the president there was a credible threat against the plane. Using the code name for Air Force One, Mr. Bush told an aide, "Angel is next." The threat was passed to presidential pilot Col. Mark Tillman.

"It was serious before that but now it is - no longer is it a time to get the president home," says Tillman. "We actually have to consider everything we say. Everything we do could be intercepted, and we have to make sure that no one knows what our position is."

Tillman asked for an armed guard at his cockpit door while Secret Service agents double-checked the identity of everyone on board. The crew reviewed the emergency evacuation plan. Then came a warning from air traffic control – a suspect airliner was dead ahead.

A credible threat means they received enough info to think it was not a joker. That suggests someone had classified coding to be able to able to make threats against the current administration. It sounds more like a coup was attempted on 9/11

a reply to: Hulseyreport

It sounds more like a coup was attempted on 9/11

I have come across some stories that a group of white hats did try and stop the attacks on 9/11. They lost.

originally posted by: Hulseyreport

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Hulseyreport

There was no flight path to WTC 7 that would make such an attack feasible. This has a long history of being debated.

Flight 23 was scheduled to leave JFK airport in New York to go to Los Angeles.. It was about to take off when the attacks were ongoing and order was received to stop the flight.

It make perfect sense the target was WTC7

What side of WTC 7 wasn’t blocked by a tall building that would allow a clear path for approach?

Another one and this was reported by a local paper. If this actually happened it looks like a group of men attempted to take out Bush?

A group of Middle Eastern men pulls up at the resort on Longboat Key, Florida, where President Bush is staying and falsely claims to have an interview scheduled with the president, but the men are turned away from the premises, according to a local fire marshal who later hears about the incident. [LONGBOAT OBSERVER, 9/26/2001] Bush arrived at the Colony Beach and Tennis Resort on Longboat Key at 6:30 p.m. on September 10 and then spent the night there (see September 10, 2001). [SAMMON, 2002, PP. 13; SARASOTA HERALD-TRIBUNE, 9/10/2002] Sometime before 6:00 a.m. on September 11, or possibly on the evening of September 10, a van occupied by some Middle Eastern men pulls up at the resort. The men claim to be reporters and say they are there for a “poolside” interview with Bush. They then ask for a particular Secret Service agent by name. Security guards phone the receptionist at the resort and relay the men’s request. The receptionist has not heard of the Secret Service agent named by the men or anything about a planned interview with Bush. She passes the phone to a Secret Service agent, who similarly tells the security guards that no one knows of the agent the men referred to or is aware of any scheduled interview with the president. The Secret Service agent says the men should contact the president’s public relations office in Washington, DC, and has them turned away

www.historycommons.org...

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Hulseyreport

It sounds more like a coup was attempted on 9/11

I have come across some stories that a group of white hats did try and stop the attacks on 9/11. They lost.

Or maybe thats Why Bush just admitted defeat after 9/11. He was given orders by the plotters to obey them or it get worse?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Hulseyreport

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Hulseyreport

There was no flight path to WTC 7 that would make such an attack feasible. This has a long history of being debated.

Flight 23 was scheduled to leave JFK airport in New York to go to Los Angeles.. It was about to take off when the attacks were ongoing and order was received to stop the flight.

It make perfect sense the target was WTC7

What side of WTC 7 wasn’t blocked by a tall building that would allow a clear path for approach?

WTC7 is one of the tallest constructions in the United States, it just looks small measured to the towers. An airplane hit the Pentagon. It absolutely can bang into the upper floors of WTC7. 

a reply to: Hulseyreport

Or maybe thats Why Bush just admitted defeat after 9/11. He was given orders by the plotters to obey them or it get worse?

If Bush did surrender, it was to the Project for a New American Century. Cheney, Rumsfield and other neo conservatives.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Hulseyreport

Or maybe thats Why Bush just admitted defeat after 9/11. He was given orders by the plotters to obey them or it get worse?

If Bush did surrender, it was to the Project for a New American Century. Cheney, Rumsfield and other neo conservatives.

Listen to this interview part- time 1.20. Bush is dropping info that suggests something else happened and even 12 years after 9/11 he still doesn't fully understand it he claims! He definately rattled by something! ABC news edited this video read the comments, he was talking about a wider conspiracy too.




Watch the original interview- ABC edited out that Bush thought there was a conspiracy.The fact ABC news edited the statement just goes to show how controlled the official media is!

a reply to: Hulseyreport

It is tough to see what he is thinking with all the camera cuts. "A highly organized operation", is something I agree with.

Apart from the neo conservatives, the Zionist movement also come up on the suspect list with big wall street money at play.

The second video is a bit more telling, well done.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Hulseyreport

Or maybe thats Why Bush just admitted defeat after 9/11. He was given orders by the plotters to obey them or it get worse?

If Bush did surrender, it was to the Project for a New American Century. Cheney, Rumsfield and other neo conservatives.

The fact is, they must have plenty of power to have the balls to do controlled demolition buildings in New York. I loathe talking about shadow authority, because people believe that doesn't exist, but the people who did this had entry to pull this off and had access to exotic materials like nanothermite. So essentially they are a shadow group that works in secret. A group of this nature must have access to large amount of wealth. 
Who specifically ordered this we never know, but these people are still out there and not knowing their full intentions is worrying. 

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: Hulseyreport

It is tough to see what he is thinking with all the camera cuts. "A highly organized operation", is something I agree with.

Apart from the neo conservatives, the Zionist movement also come up on the suspect list with big wall street money at play.

The second video is a bit more telling, well done.

Yep see how different the unedited version is! Bush for me was rattled and even he doesn't fully understand the plot 12 years later. Media and debunkers will claim we have all the facts it was 19 guys and Bin laden!

There a hidden history about 9/11 that even a former President has trouble figuring it out. 

originally posted by: Hulseyreport

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Hulseyreport

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Hulseyreport

There was no flight path to WTC 7 that would make such an attack feasible. This has a long history of being debated.

Flight 23 was scheduled to leave JFK airport in New York to go to Los Angeles.. It was about to take off when the attacks were ongoing and order was received to stop the flight.

It make perfect sense the target was WTC7

What side of WTC 7 wasn’t blocked by a tall building that would allow a clear path for approach?

WTC7 is one of the tallest constructions in the United States, it just looks small measured to the towers. An airplane hit the Pentagon. It absolutely can bang into the upper floors of WTC7. 

Can you answer the question?

What side of WTC 7 wasn’t blocked by a tall building that would allow a clear path for approach?

New York City, the most populous city in the United States, is home to over 7,000 completed high-rise buildings of at least 115 feet (35 m),[1] of which at least 132 are taller than 600 feet (183 m).

en.m.wikipedia.org...

WTC 7 was one of 132 or 133 buildings over 600 foot at 610 foot tall in New York City.

As for who ordered the attack, Richard Cheney was in charge of the Pentagon that day. When looking into the big money side of things, the Rothschild banking enterprise does need to be considered. The changes in banking policy with all the invaded nations is an important piece of the puzzle.

Lots of dark money floating around with the Afghan opium fields, weapon trades, oil and other resources. Without the big banks in on the program it gets harder to wash all the money.

It does bring up another concerning issue with the whole 9/11 topic when the President at the times is just left confused with it all. Has been a big psychological operation with it on the public and a very confusing one to dig through for the facts and details.

a reply to: neutronflux

You're in 2D-mode, think 3D, or the Z-axis for possible attack approach.

originally posted by: democracydemo
a reply to: neutronflux

You're in 2D-mode, think 3D, or the Z-axis for possible attack approach.

I am not in 2D mode. It is hard for a large passenger jet to act like a dive bomber. Why all three jets on 9/11 took a perpendicular path, or a relatively shallow decent to their targets. Also. It allowed for maximizing speed to maximize kinetic energy which increases exponentially with speed. Damage increases exponentially with speed.

In classical mechanics, the kinetic energy of a non-rotating object of mass m traveling at a speed v is
1/2mv^2

en.m.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: neutronflux

Damage increases exponentially with speed.

A Plane pitching down (Z) does what then?
But was this not the goal?

Why all three jets on 9/11 took a perpendicular path, or a relatively shallow decent to their targets.

Targets, thank you. A controlled shallow decent with precision, AA77 being the crown jewels.

a reply to: democracydemo

A Plane pitching down (Z) does what then?
But was this not the goal?

Not necessarily. People believe the wings should have blown off flight 77 on descent in to the pentagon. The broadside lets the suicide pilot control the speed with mostly working right /left and up/down.

Trying to dive into a building:
One, might cause over speed robing the ability from control surfaces to control the dive.
Two, easier to over speed. If going off target, more stress on control surfaces to fight to get on target. Loosing control surfaces breaking with stress is not going to help with maximizing speed.
Three, the maneuver is more complicated because you added angle of descent that is going to require more precision and slower speeds to stay on target.

You

Targets, thank you. A controlled shallow decent with precision, AA77 being the crown jewels.

Hitting WTC 7 would have required a much steeper dive from a jet to be on target for a building surround in Manhattan. The pentagon is something like 26 acres in size, and the pilot almost crashed on the lawn. There was nothing really precise about the bumpy flight that almost crashed short of its large target that was probably the tallest building in a mile or two radius.

a reply to: democracydemo

With an open lawn around the pentagon. I don’t think there was an open lawn/space for WTC 7 like the pentagon.

I think the pentagon is 900 feet long per side.

WTC 7 was 330 feet on its longest side. One side of the pentagon was almost three times wider than the longest side of WTC 7. WTC 7 140 feet wide. The USS Ronald Reagan is 1000 feet long, 252 wide, and hard as hell to land on in the open sea. Now place the Ronald Reagan in the middle of the WTC and try to dive onto its deck at full throttle.