Special counsel tells Trump to fire Kellyanne Conway over Hatch Act violations

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Krakatoa

Its not the democrats.
Its the office of special counsel. ( not Robert Muellers special counsel) who was appointed by trump who is making this request. It has nothing to do with the democrats.
Time to turn off the partisanship because it doesnt belong in this argument.

YOU opened the discussion in a partisan manner there Silly one. When you stated, in your OP,

Everyone in the administration has the same disregard for federal laws. Its a free for all.

Perhaps it is time for you to get off your partisan horse and eat the dregs your horse keeps spewing?

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Sillyolme

Just so I understand this act, if let's say Nancy Pelosi accused president Trump of a cover up on national TV, then said she wants him in JAIL, that would be a clear violation of the Hatch Act? I only ask to I can be clear how and why Connway is guilty. (and as always, if you need help with the big words, just ask)

As I said, if this is the legal herald they wish to carry, then do not be surprised if it is used against them just in time for the 2020 elections.

Pot, Kettle, Hello?

a reply to: Sillyolme

No one gives a hoot about this barefoot couch sitter and im sure if her actions were in contrast to the position of the administration then she will be fired.

Next.

Members of the House and the Senate routinely use talking points from their political party while conducting business. They make those statements as part of the process of campaigning to be reelected. Every time they criticize the President it's technically a violation of the Hatch Act. When a sitting President campaigns, they are doing so in violation of the Act.

The real question here is how is the Hatch Act constitutional to begin with? It's a direct violation of free speech.

Every time an elected official is interviewed on air it's technically a violation since elected officials are on the clock 24/7.

Someone needs to drag this through the courts again to get it to the SCOTUS.

originally posted by: oloufo
a reply to: Sillyolme

this government reminds me of italy in the 80s, when the mafia did run the country.

And Potus #45 is one of our last hopes to drain the swamp. The R leadership are Progs too. If we don't get it drained soon their Cabal wins and the whole world will be theirs to control unopposed.

This is worldwide domination scheme that starts with turning our resources over to the Cabal. They already have the Chinese and Russians working Marionettes on one side of the Earth and C_A/MI5 (or is it MI6?) plus MS 13 pulling strings on this side of the Earth. Kabuki at its dead level best. We must tread carefully but deliberately. Legal means is our best bet and we see the minefield the Progs have built into the Judicial Branch.

Tribunals need to occur because the crime these scum have committed is international in nature.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Krakatoa

Its not the democrats.
Its the office of special counsel. ( not Robert Muellers special counsel) who was appointed by trump who is making this request. It has nothing to do with the democrats.
Time to turn off the partisanship because it doesnt belong in this argument.

Partisanship aside....

If Kelly Ann Conway goes on any news channel and answers a question about anything she is in violation of the "Hatch Act"?

Is that what your opinion of the "Hatch Act" is?

Without quoting someone else please. If this is not your opinion could you please express your side a little more clearly for us with low comprehension?

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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: projectvxn

What does this have to do with democrats?
The OSC is a trump appointee.
www.rollcall.com...

White House and White House appointee fight over Kellyanne Conway

A federal special counsel nominated by President Donald Trump is calling for White House counselor Kellyanne Conway to be removed from office for taking overtly political actions while fulfilling her official government duties.

Every democrat Congress critter that has been fighting constantly against trump has been taking overt political actions while they were supposed to be doing their government jobs.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: carewemust

Within the next 30 days Democrats will experience firsthand the punishment for being a hateful minority with no power.

So by July 14th ish? ... What do you think will happen?

And when it doesnt? You will experience the absurdity of being a trump supporter.

originally posted by: tinner07
a reply to: carewemust

Within the next 30 days Democrats will experience firsthand the punishment for being a hateful minority with no power.

So by July 14th ish? ... What do you think will happen?

And when it doesnt? You will experience the absurdity of being a trump supporter.

Do you think Kelly Ann Conway should be fired from her job?

Should she accept her invitation to be on Rachel Maddow and just sit their silently?

That is the basis of this thread btw. Silly was bringing up a law from the 1930s that doesnt apply today and was attempting to show faux outrage over it.

After a few of us actually looked into it and realized that 1st amendment rights quickly debunked her assertions, she bounced out of here.....

Lol

But yea, call someone out on a prediction....

Lolz

a reply to: Scepticaldem

Silly was bringing up a law from the 1930s that doesnt apply today and was attempting to show faux outrage over it.

The Hatch Act still applies today. Do you also think the Constitution is also outdated? It's even older!

Kellyanne Conway doesn't seem to know the difference between the job of campaign manager for Donald Trump the candidate, and being an advisor to the President. It's illegal for Kellyanne Conway to campaign for Trump as a government employee. She should offer her resignation, and then accept a position on Trump's reelection campaign.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

It will be just like the last 500 or so claims by Care..a bigly nothingburger

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: carewemust

Well this went exactly as expected.
This has nothing to do with the election.
This has nothing to do with the democrats.
You all have a one track mind.
Its the democrats, its the democrats, its the democrats, itsthedemocrats, itsthedemocrats, itsthedemocratsitsthedemocratsitshtedemocratsitsthedemocrats....

What it really has to do with is context.

Or as someone calls it, "The History Of Today."

It is a favored tactic from the left... you cannot put a happening in context because then it just exposes the incredible amount of hypocrisy the left needs to frame an argument in their favor.

In this instance, you want us to talk about one person's actions and COMPLETELY ignore the actions of everyone and everything around them.

It's like the school bully finally getting punched back and him crying "ASSUALT!!!"

The conversation needs to be in context.

In THIS context, the left violates the Hatch act every time they step in front of a microphone or camera.

Which to you is fine because By Any Means Necessary.

But it's fine to throw a Trump associate under the bus for it, because to you they have to play by a different set of rules.

Doesn't work that way anymore.

Tell us when you get tired of losing and I'll tell you when we get tired of winning.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Kellyanne Conway. Who?

lol I mean I never hear about anything she's doing or has done. Does she even mater?

In any case if your following the latest ( and I know you are) it's the wild west in washington now.

Law? What law? They can all just do what they want! Yeeha! Politicians are above the law!

The decision as to whether removal is warranted is a matter of administrative discretion. Thus, a reviewing court will not reverse the Board’s decision unless it concludes that the decision constituted an abuse of discretion or was not in accordance with the law or was unsupported by substantial evidence or was obtained without procedures required by law, rule or regulation. The penalty provision in the Hatch Political Activity Act, 5 U.S.C.S. § 1506(a), clearly gives the employer the choice of removing the employee in question “from his office or employment,” or forfeiting federal funds equal to two years’ pay at the rate or amount the employee was receiving at the time of the violation. Further, for 18 months after his removal from employment, federal funds also will be forfeited if the employee is appointed to an office or employment with a state or local agency within the same state.

Penalties - Hatch Act

Looking at the actual report -(direct .pdf link), there are several prior removals listed:

See, e.g., Special Counsel v. Lewis, 121 M.S.P.R. 109 (2014); Special Counsel v. Ware, 114 M.S.P.R. 128 (2010); Special Counsel v. Briggs, 110 M.S.P.R. 1 (2008); Special Counsel v. Acconcia, 107 M.S.P.R. 60 (2007); Special Counsel v. Eisinger, 103 M.S.P.R. 252 (2006); and Special Counsel v. Simmons, 90 M.S.P.R. 83 (2001)

There is precedent for removal due to Hatch Act violations, and at least one of those went to appeal and the removal was upheld.

With regards to Mr. Kerner (the special counsel who wrote the report in question:

Henry Kerner graduated from Harvard Law School and spent 18 years working as a career prosecutor in California. In 2011, he joined the staff of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, the chief investigative committee of the United States House of Representatives. Under Chairman Darrell Issa, and later, Chairman Jason Chaffetz, he led investigations of the federal bureaucracy and fought on behalf of whistleblowers to protect American taxpayers. Mr. Kerner was also the staff director under Ranking Member Sen. John McCain of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, the lead investigative committee of the Senate. He left the Hill in early 2016 and joined Cause of Action Institute as assistant vice president for investigations. Cause of Action is a nonpartisan oversight group committed to exposing waste, fraud and abuse in the federal government. It has worked with whistleblowers and good government groups throughout the country.

Henry J Kerner

a reply to: scraedtosleep

She was the very first Woman to manage a winning U.S. Presidential Campaign.

She was also the professional pollster that "confidentially" kept the Hillary Campaign *thinking* it was ahead in all the polling prior to the 2016 election day. (not many people understood that strategy "at the time" and still haven't figured out how she did it) 😎

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Scepticaldem

Silly was bringing up a law from the 1930s that doesnt apply today and was attempting to show faux outrage over it.

The Hatch Act still applies today. Do you also think the Constitution is also outdated? It's even older!

Kellyanne Conway doesn't seem to know the difference between the job of campaign manager for Donald Trump the candidate, and being an advisor to the President. It's illegal for Kellyanne Conway to campaign for Trump as a government employee. She should offer her resignation, and then accept a position on Trump's reelection campaign.

If you feel this strongly about her removal, do you feel that anyone who violates the Hatch Act should be removed? Or just people close to Trump?

(integrity gut check)

a reply to: network dude

I think Kellyanne should resign, and accept a job in Trump's reelection Campaign. It's illegal for her to campaign as a government employee, and she can't seem to stop campaigning from her White House post. She's really good at campaigning.

I think anyone who publicly flaunts the law and defies its enforcement, should face the consequences.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude

I think Kellyanne should resign, and accept a job in Trump's reelection Campaign. It's illegal for her to campaign as a government employee, and she can't seem to stop campaigning from her White House post. She's really good at campaigning.

I think anyone who publicly flaunts the law and defies its enforcement, should face the consequences.

I can agree with this if we make it a wide spread sweeping action among everyone that is flaunting the law and defying its enforcement.

I could not fathom how you could disagree with that....

But I'm sure you will surprise me