Fake Nurse Fired After 20 Years On The Job

a reply to: ADAMandEVIL

Here is how she possible faked it . What are her actual duties? In my local hospital if you get admitted you are generally given a couple of if lines for them to put drugs or fluids into your body this is done by a nurse but once you are on a floor how often does an actual nurse come into your room? Maybe 2 times a shift and then only to male sure you are doing ok or to prep you for a procedure. Collection of blood and other samples are done by technicians not nurses. He'll local hospital does not even have a doctor come and see you very often any more now they use person mobility device like Sheldon used of the big bang theory . So maybe this lady was a ward nurse and spent her shifts getting water or blankets or dispensing meds. Or just sitting pretty at nurses station. In a situation like that I can understand how that could go on for years.

Those who went to school SPENT a lot of money to go there, i can't say how hard they worked or didn't I imagine it's quite hard coursework.

Real world experience is the best education. damn that's a bold woman for even attempting it, let alone pulling it off for 20 years. She shouldn't have put people at risk
a reply to: ADAMandEVIL

a reply to: M5xaz

Son your hypothetical child is dead now because you would refuse to accept the assistance of someone with 20 years on the job medical experience.

Go bury it and leave the poor nurse alone.

I don't claim she competent, the 2 decades done that already ya silly sausage.

As to Mirrors, i bet you have smashed a few in your time. x

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: vonclod
What in the holy f--- does this have to do with Hank Johnson?

That whistling you are hearing is sarcasm going way, way above your head.....

No sh@t Sherlock, you are so clever, you must be university educated.
You sure do have a superiority complex, I bow down to your superior intellect..LMFAO.

You're so desparate to insult anyone who has a different take on this..it's really quite amusing.

a reply to: makemap

I think on the job training is the best you can get. Anytime I get a round someone who's a real professional at something I'm interested in Ilike electronics, doctoring, mechanicing, PC repair, AC work etc, I'm all eyes and ears. Long as I have an interest in it I'm glued to it.

And I agree totally certifications are to keep more people out. There are people that can learn anything and pass a test with flying colors with little effort but they might not have true passion for what they've remembered or learned.

I also wonder what ever became of the person who's identity was stolen by this 20 year imposter nurse?
That would be interesting to know as well. Did they use the license they earned?

a reply to: M5xaz

I still take the nurse with 20 years experience over someone with a doctorate in medicine without any residency yet.

Also will take a twenty year nurse with at least five years of ER and operating room experience over a first year doctor.

Schools are horrendous today compared to schools from twenty five,fifty years ago from kindergarten thru post graduate. I think everything’s been “bell curved” for inclusion.

Nursing comes in alot of flavors and to be honest a new grad nurse is like a fawn in the wilderness when he or she takes their first job.

The vast majority of nursing programs place way more emphasis on the academic side of nursing that the actual patient care side. The profession has become very polarized between the two and at many hospitals you have a constant battle between the two.

As such a new nursing grad is ill prepared and has little skills when it comes to actually providing care. Thats why most new grad nurse programs in hospitals can have an orientation that is 3-6 months. If she worked in say a nursing home or acute care unit, and was trained as a new grad its not surprising that she could bluff her way through.

They were correct in suspending her and or terminating her. First and foremost she lied. Secondly the public needs to have confidence in the certifying bodies and that they do their due diligence. She had 20 years to fix this problem by going back to school and chose not too.

originally posted by: M5xaz

NO EMPLOYER GIVES ANYONE TWO MONTHS OFF EVERY YEAR TO STUDY.

Clear enough !

Actually many do. Our hospital offers a per diem position for up to two years for those perusing a higher academic degree and both our union and the hospital offers scholarships to offset the costs.

In addition there are many accredited programs that offer a degree that is basically at your pace so you can still work and stretch out the education for several years.

Nursing is about trust as well and I do agree the hospital was correct in firing her. However, the hospital and or the board of registered nurses needs to be held accountable as well.

originally posted by: FredT

originally posted by: M5xaz

NO EMPLOYER GIVES ANYONE TWO MONTHS OFF EVERY YEAR TO STUDY.

Clear enough !

Actually many do. Our hospital offers a per diem position for up to two years for those perusing a higher academic degree and both our union and the hospital offers scholarships to offset the costs.

In addition there are many accredited programs that offer a degree that is basically at your pace so you can still work and stretch out the education for several years.

Nursing is about trust as well and I do agree the hospital was correct in firing her. However, the hospital and or the board of registered nurses needs to be held accountable as well.

Yes, at my place of work, we will subsidize 1 year technical sabbatical or up to 2 years towards a Masters or a PhD.

But that is only offered if the candidate already has his 4 years undergraduate degree.

As I said, NO ONE will offer 4 years off towards an undergraduate degree or the equivalent of 2 months off every year for 20 years!

I'm sure you would not want that fake nurse in your hospital. Neither would your patients, at least the sane ones.

I still want to know about the real nurse who earned her credentials. What did she do with them?
Did she go on and use them or become a stay at home mom or work at walmart, maybe go to Home Depot and work in the cabinet department? Quit and go to law school deciding nursing wasn't for her? What did she do?
The reason I ask is because I have a sneaking suspicion the fake nurse had the real passion for nursing.

a reply to: M5xaz

2 year associate degree nurses are eligible as well.

a reply to: Trucker1

My understanding is that she did not steal them and both could have used them. She used a name and license number that was checked, its online in California now and they no longer issue a card. So when they checked as far as they knew she had a valid license that just happened to be someone else's

The nurse who's license was stolen no doubt continued to work

originally posted by: Trucker1
I still want to know about the real nurse who earned her credentials. What did she do with them?
Did she go on and use them or become a stay at home mom or work at walmart, maybe go to Home Depot and work in the cabinet department? Quit and go to law school deciding nursing wasn't for her? What did she do?

The reason I ask is because I have a sneaking suspicion the fake nurse had the real passion for nursing.

Me and my co-workers were pondering that today..what happened to the actual person with the degree?

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: Trucker1
I still want to know about the real nurse who earned her credentials. What did she do with them?
Did she go on and use them or become a stay at home mom or work at walmart, maybe go to Home Depot and work in the cabinet department? Quit and go to law school deciding nursing wasn't for her? What did she do?

The reason I ask is because I have a sneaking suspicion the fake nurse had the real passion for nursing.

Me and my co-workers were pondering that today..what happened to the actual person with the degree?

See my above. Both likely worked

a reply to: FredT

The nurse who's license was stolen no doubt continued to work

I suppose it's possible, maybe in another province? One would think at some point it would be discovered that two people were using the same #, same name though.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: FredT

The nurse who's license was stolen no doubt continued to work

I suppose it's possible, maybe in another province? One would think at some point it would be discovered that two people were using the same #, same name though.

No its not that far fetched. Each year my employer goes online and verifies my license. If I lied about my name and number when I got the job, they would not know beyond that. All they get is a valid license.

Lets say you are a nurse named vonclod VanDam. You have all of your education and credentials checked by the board etc. You are granted your license. I come along and fake my resume, tell my employer that I am vonclod VanDam, RN they make the same check and see I have a valid license. My employer followed procedure about the license verification but failed to verify my education credentials when they hired me. I googled it Canada has 425,757 so it possible that their paths would not cross (Interestingly enough there are 330,000 in California alone)

a reply to: FredT

Interesting, I can see maybe it could very well go unnoticed, until there is a conflict, then a closer look.

She was very obviously, rightfully fired, you cant just do that. It must be assumed though, that she did an at least adequate job.
When discussing this today, we also pondered where she got the basic knowledge?

a reply to: vonclod

A lot of people may simply pass it off as a mistake.

Don't know how many banks, bills, card companies, and other establishments have managed to get my name and/or date of birth incorrect over the years, and yet still managed to issue the things and/or receive payment just fine.

Suppose it cannot really be much different where other information is in play or at question.

Fact is this could have gone completely unmissed.

The basic knowledge will have come from other people who work there and train the staff, as most people assume noobs/new starts know next to nothing, degree/qualifications or otherwise.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: FredT

Interesting, I can see maybe it could very well go unnoticed, until there is a conflict, then a closer look.

She was very obviously, rightfully fired, you cant just do that. It must be assumed though, that she did an at least adequate job.
When discussing this today, we also pondered where she got the basic knowledge?

In a previous post I explained the schism going on in the profession: Schools (which are run by academic nurses) are focusing strictly on the theory and other stuff with a profound de-emphasis on actual hands on skills. It began in my generation over 25 years ago. My class was the first to NOT learn how to start an IV on a patient and its gotten progressively worse.

New nurses nowadays have almost ZERO bedside skills and are taught from scratch. A new grad at my hospital gets a 4-6 month orientation before being kicked from the nest.

My mother was a nurse, who worked in hospitals, and care homes, had zero education. She did not "graduate" high school, or attend any universities, yet as a nurse her experience was highly respected, even by doctors.

She learned on the job, back when nursing was seen as a vocation, not a career. She was an Enrolled Nurse here in the UK (something they no longer have).

Enrolled Nurse - A nurse who is timeserved, and learned on the job. This was how all nurses were trained in times gone by.
State Registered Nurse - A nurse who attended university - All nurses are trained this way now.

Just because a nurse does not have a University degree, does NOT in any way make them inferior or incapable nurses.

Granted, the nurse in question shouldn't have lied about her qualifications, but I guarantee that after 20 years on the job, she was as competent as any other nurses.