Fake Nurse Fired After 20 Years On The Job

a reply to: M5xaz
Address the stolen ID aspect separately. That to me is like having an IT whiz who got a job using someone else's name answer for the ID theft, and prove they're competent enough for the job with only their own name & knowledge. Two separate things to address.


You're awfully triggered on this one. No one applauded the ID theft, just the alternative way of going about being a competent nurse. She essentially did it that way, with no issues FOR TWO DECADES. That certainly goes to show you don't need to dump a lot of money on the education if you can effectively apprentice your way in an industry old-school style. Why are you trying so hard to justify the cash grab end?

a reply to: TheMasterOne

Yeah but what happens when the general public hears that the hospital employed a pretender for twenty years?
They start questioning the doctors, the administration, the janitor, they lose faith, the hospital loses business, they close, and the community suffers.
Thats a pretty stiff penalty for not firing her.
Just to weigh both sides of the argument.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: M5xaz

I think honestly that the job of a Nurse has changed a lot over the last 20 years or so and I don't really think that the vast majority of the public quite understand how. I don't think they realise that its actually the nurse who might be reading that ECG or interpreting that blood work, they just see someone cleaning bums and taking BP's but they don't actually see the calculations involved in getting the drug dosages just right, they don't see the nurse who has just passed that ALS course that the doctor sitting next to them failed. They don't quite get that the reason for the doc putting in that chest drain is actually because a nurse felt the surgical emphysema, or that actually its the nurse who knows exactly what to put on that nasty wound, I could honestly go on all day the point is that these days nurses do much much more than I think the public give them credit for. That even before you start looking at the kind of work of nurse practitioner's/specialists/managers and even nurse consultants.

PRECISELY !!!!!!!!!!!
Could not have said it better.

Actually, Otherside said it infinitely better than you, he just gave info, you just tried to belittle along with adding info.

Hey, if you feel belittled because you have a chip on your shoulder /jealousy because of lack of University/Professional certification that is YOUR PROBLEM.

Sorry to break it to you , but in the real world not every one gets a Trophy.

Not everyone gets to be a Doctor, Nurse, Pilot, etc

Only those that get off their ass and actually do the University training FIRST, and have an iQ strong enough to pass the exams get to be professionals, not butthurt ignorant snowflakes.

Lives depend on it.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Sure, obviously that kind of thing cannot be let go, a huge question of legal liabilities.

a reply to: M5xaz

No chip on my shoulder, nor am I jealous, I just think you'll have better luck with your message by not being an asshole.

Anyway, obviously you are very passionate on this subject..you a nurse?

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: M5xaz
Address the stolen ID aspect separately. That to me is like having an IT whiz who got a job using someone else's name answer for the ID theft, and prove they're competent enough for the job with only their own name & knowledge. Two separate things to address.


You're awfully triggered on this one. No one applauded the ID theft, just the alternative way of going about being a competent nurse. She essentially did it that way, with no issues FOR TWO DECADES. That certainly goes to show you don't need to dump a lot of money on the education if you can effectively apprentice your way in an industry old-school style. Why are you trying so hard to justify the cash grab end?

You are the one greatly triggered by reality, buddy.
Yes, those with University degrees are better than you - get over yourself!

Fooling the system for two decades just proves she is a good con-man.

Where is your source to claim she was competent ? - because she fooled the system 20 years ?

By your "logic", Bernie Maddoff, who stole BILLIONS from clients for decades before being arrested, was also competent guy, right ??


SMH

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: M5xaz
Address the stolen ID aspect separately. That to me is like having an IT whiz who got a job using someone else's name answer for the ID theft, and prove they're competent enough for the job with only their own name & knowledge. Two separate things to address.


You're awfully triggered on this one. No one applauded the ID theft, just the alternative way of going about being a competent nurse. She essentially did it that way, with no issues FOR TWO DECADES. That certainly goes to show you don't need to dump a lot of money on the education if you can effectively apprentice your way in an industry old-school style. Why are you trying so hard to justify the cash grab end?

You are the one greatly triggered by reality, buddy.
Yes, those with University degrees are better than you - get over yourself!

Fooling the system for two decades just proves she is a good con-man.

Where is your source to claim she was competent ? - because she fooled the system 20 years ?

By your "logic, Bernie Maddoff, who stole BILLIONS from clients for decades before being arrested, was also competent guy, right ??


SMH

Calm down, Suzie, before you mess your undies in your hysteria.

Evidence lending toward competent worker was right there in the article -- she signed up to further her education and was only caught then. It stands to reason she had taken similar classes before and thus was not unfamiliar with the intricacies of her job.
Where's YOUR evidence to the contrary?

a reply to: Vector99

Seriously you dont think a hospital setting is not quite a learn as you go kind of place?

Wife having a baby.... let that dude do it....he watched a movie.

The hospital would fail as soon as the community found out they employ people with fake credentials.

Now where is your wife having that baby? thirty miles away... better plan ahead.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: M5xaz
Address the stolen ID aspect separately. That to me is like having an IT whiz who got a job using someone else's name answer for the ID theft, and prove they're competent enough for the job with only their own name & knowledge. Two separate things to address.


You're awfully triggered on this one. No one applauded the ID theft, just the alternative way of going about being a competent nurse. She essentially did it that way, with no issues FOR TWO DECADES. That certainly goes to show you don't need to dump a lot of money on the education if you can effectively apprentice your way in an industry old-school style. Why are you trying so hard to justify the cash grab end?

You are the one greatly triggered by reality, buddy.
Yes, those with University degrees are better than you - get over yourself!

Fooling the system for two decades just proves she is a good con-man.

Where is your source to claim she was competent ? - because she fooled the system 20 years ?

By your "logic, Bernie Maddoff, who stole BILLIONS from clients for decades before being arrested, was also competent guy, right ??


SMH

Calm down, Suzie, before you mess your undies in your hysteria.

Evidence lending toward competent worker was right there in the article -- she signed up to further her education and was only caught then. It stands to reason she had taken similar classes before and thus was not unfamiliar with the intricacies of her job.
Where's YOUR evidence to the contrary?

No, annually taking continuing education classes is something ALL Nurses must do; they have no choice in the matter.

It is not proof of any competence - many of the courses are group sessions where you attend a set number of hours for credit and where there is no exam.

You are, again, speaking of ignorance through your arse.


Assholes are butthurt ignoramuses that try to defend that :

Ignorance > Knowledge

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: M5xaz
Address the stolen ID aspect separately. That to me is like having an IT whiz who got a job using someone else's name answer for the ID theft, and prove they're competent enough for the job with only their own name & knowledge. Two separate things to address.


You're awfully triggered on this one. No one applauded the ID theft, just the alternative way of going about being a competent nurse. She essentially did it that way, with no issues FOR TWO DECADES. That certainly goes to show you don't need to dump a lot of money on the education if you can effectively apprentice your way in an industry old-school style. Why are you trying so hard to justify the cash grab end?

You are the one greatly triggered by reality, buddy.
Yes, those with University degrees are better than you - get over yourself!

Fooling the system for two decades just proves she is a good con-man.

Where is your source to claim she was competent ? - because she fooled the system 20 years ?

By your "logic, Bernie Maddoff, who stole BILLIONS from clients for decades before being arrested, was also competent guy, right ??


SMH

Calm down, Suzie, before you mess your undies in your hysteria.

Evidence lending toward competent worker was right there in the article -- she signed up to further her education and was only caught then. It stands to reason she had taken similar classes before and thus was not unfamiliar with the intricacies of her job.
Where's YOUR evidence to the contrary?

No, annually taking continuing education classes is something ALL Nurses must do; they have no choice in the matter.

It is not proof of any competence - many of the courses are group sessions where you attend a set number of hours for credit and where there is no exam.

You are, again, speaking of ignorance through your arse.


Assholes are butthurt ignoramuses that try to defend that :

Ignorance > Knowledge

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: M5xaz
Address the stolen ID aspect separately. That to me is like having an IT whiz who got a job using someone else's name answer for the ID theft, and prove they're competent enough for the job with only their own name & knowledge. Two separate things to address.


You're awfully triggered on this one. No one applauded the ID theft, just the alternative way of going about being a competent nurse. She essentially did it that way, with no issues FOR TWO DECADES. That certainly goes to show you don't need to dump a lot of money on the education if you can effectively apprentice your way in an industry old-school style. Why are you trying so hard to justify the cash grab end?

You are the one greatly triggered by reality, buddy.
Yes, those with University degrees are better than you - get over yourself!

Fooling the system for two decades just proves she is a good con-man.

Where is your source to claim she was competent ? - because she fooled the system 20 years ?

By your "logic, Bernie Maddoff, who stole BILLIONS from clients for decades before being arrested, was also competent guy, right ??


SMH

Calm down, Suzie, before you mess your undies in your hysteria.

Evidence lending toward competent worker was right there in the article -- she signed up to further her education and was only caught then. It stands to reason she had taken similar classes before and thus was not unfamiliar with the intricacies of her job.
Where's YOUR evidence to the contrary?

No, annually taking continuing education classes is something ALL Nurses must do; they have no choice in the matter.

It is not proof of any competence - many of the courses are group sessions where you attend a set number of hours for credit and where there is no exam.

You are, again, speaking of ignorance through your arse.


Assholes are butthurt ignoramuses that try to defend that :

Ignorance > Knowledge

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: M5xaz
Address the stolen ID aspect separately. That to me is like having an IT whiz who got a job using someone else's name answer for the ID theft, and prove they're competent enough for the job with only their own name & knowledge. Two separate things to address.


You're awfully triggered on this one. No one applauded the ID theft, just the alternative way of going about being a competent nurse. She essentially did it that way, with no issues FOR TWO DECADES. That certainly goes to show you don't need to dump a lot of money on the education if you can effectively apprentice your way in an industry old-school style. Why are you trying so hard to justify the cash grab end?

You are the one greatly triggered by reality, buddy.
Yes, those with University degrees are better than you - get over yourself!

Fooling the system for two decades just proves she is a good con-man.

Where is your source to claim she was competent ? - because she fooled the system 20 years ?

By your "logic, Bernie Maddoff, who stole BILLIONS from clients for decades before being arrested, was also competent guy, right ??


SMH

Calm down, Suzie, before you mess your undies in your hysteria.

Evidence lending toward competent worker was right there in the article -- she signed up to further her education and was only caught then. It stands to reason she had taken similar classes before and thus was not unfamiliar with the intricacies of her job.
Where's YOUR evidence to the contrary?

No, annually taking continuing education classes is something ALL Nurses must do; they have no choice in the matter.

It is not proof of any competence - many of the courses are group sessions where you attend a set number of hours for credit and where there is no exam.
The only reason anyone at that training session would go to the trouble of running a background check on the fake nurse is because her answers or comments to basic medical facts were glaringly wrong

You are, again, speaking of ignorance through your arse.


Assholes are butthurt ignoramuses that try to defend that :

Ignorance > Knowledge

The JEALOUSY and ENVY are strong with this one....

a reply to: ADAMandEVIL

Im not sure this falls under an "act of civil disobedience" unless you can maybe prove that she was so excellent a nurse and was wrongly denied her certification so she felt she had to steal someone else's identity because she was so compelled to aid and comfort the sick. lol maybe...

She can probably get certified now and move somewhere where this isnt front page news and get a job nursing.
Still there is the ethics of the original lie. She had no problem stealing someones identity and maintaining the lie over her career. If she will do that perhaps there are other lines she would not hesitate to cross.

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Nyiah
a reply to: M5xaz
Address the stolen ID aspect separately. That to me is like having an IT whiz who got a job using someone else's name answer for the ID theft, and prove they're competent enough for the job with only their own name & knowledge. Two separate things to address.


You're awfully triggered on this one. No one applauded the ID theft, just the alternative way of going about being a competent nurse. She essentially did it that way, with no issues FOR TWO DECADES. That certainly goes to show you don't need to dump a lot of money on the education if you can effectively apprentice your way in an industry old-school style. Why are you trying so hard to justify the cash grab end?

You are the one greatly triggered by reality, buddy.
Yes, those with University degrees are better than you - get over yourself!

Fooling the system for two decades just proves she is a good con-man.

Where is your source to claim she was competent ? - because she fooled the system 20 years ?

By your "logic, Bernie Maddoff, who stole BILLIONS from clients for decades before being arrested, was also competent guy, right ??


SMH

Calm down, Suzie, before you mess your undies in your hysteria.

Evidence lending toward competent worker was right there in the article -- she signed up to further her education and was only caught then. It stands to reason she had taken similar classes before and thus was not unfamiliar with the intricacies of her job.
Where's YOUR evidence to the contrary?

No, annually taking continuing education classes is something ALL Nurses must do; they have no choice in the matter.

It is not proof of any competence - many of the courses are group sessions where you attend a set number of hours for credit and where there is no exam.
The only reason anyone at that training session would go to the trouble of running a background check on the fake nurse is because her answers or comments to basic medical facts were glaringly wrong

You are, again, speaking of ignorance through your arse.


Assholes are butthurt ignoramuses that try to defend that :

Ignorance > Knowledge

The JEALOUSY and ENVY are strong with this one....

Nobody's jealous or envious, man. Just a bunch of people pointing out why we're not worked up over the woman's 2 decades of work despite lacking the papers for it.

Calm your tits before you have a damn aneurysm, Jesus H Christ. What's wrong with you, snapping like a rabid animal every post?

The fake nurse may have stolen someones identity to get the job but that's quite a bit different than doing it to drain someones banking account. Maybe she couldn't possibly afford school? She should be given the chance to get certified and continue on.
As someone said earlier nursing is a service and hard work.
Who's ready to sign up for cleaning up someones poop and vomit when needed for 20 years?

Not long ago midwifes delivered peoples babies at home without credentials. Sure they lost some babies and some moms as well. And Doctors would visit the home likely without credentials of today's standards. The point is the "must have credentials" is not that old.

My dad would have likely died in the hospital one year during vacation at the hands of a young licensed nurse who plain and simply missed what was making him sick.
Lucky for him and all of us, an old experienced nurse came on duty and immediately saw that he had blood poisoning and started treating him accordingly. And he was well soon and back out enjoying life.
There is something to be said for experience.

I'm sure the older nurse had credentials who knows. The point is even licensed folks can and will never stop making mistakes that kill patients because they are only human after all and humans make mistakes.

She took someone else's poop and vomit job. That's what she stole!
I know its not like that all of the time but I'm sure they see plenty of it.

a reply to: M5xaz

I have to say fk the system. It is design to get you poor and fail. Too much certification requirements. What happened to the time when you learn where you work? Oh that doesn't happen anymore. Fk Western society, its dead and dying.

a reply to: M5xaz

Then charge her with identity theft.

The fact of the matter is the woman has clearly proven that she is a nurse, and i can only imagine a capable one, given the period of time she has served as such, seemingly without incident nor problems arising.

My guess, if your wean was choking to death, or dying in some other nasty manner or fashion that only she could attend to, she would miraculously be a nurse once again.

Of course certificates and qualifications are important, but they are far from the be all and end all of many a trade, and simply cannot replace nor even begin to compete with practical experience which the lady has in spades.

originally posted by: gortex

If she kept the job for 20 years was she a fake nurse or just a nurse without qualifications ?

You bring up a good point, she was a practiced nurse for 20 years, but lacked the qualifications.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Or lacked the credentials, might be a better word.

a reply to: andy06shake

i have met many people over the years with qualifications on paper but thick as bat # when it comes to the practical stuff