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originally posted by: MisterSpock
originally posted by: JoeGee
originally posted by: Nyiah
How good a life do you seriously think a teenager could have made for the long-term with a baby or child support garnishments in the mix? I had a cheap studio apartment at 17, ramen or rice for damn near every meal, and could barely afford THAT on minimum wage FT. In no way, shape or form would having had a baby at that age have been feasible or justifiable. That would have been abject poverty whether or not I had a SO to share the monetary problems with.
And this is what separates those that will sacrifice and persevere to make it and those that are content with their lives and don't want to change and will avoid any potential hardache as long as they stay content.
Pretty much, we are moving more and more towards the generation of "Me..Me.MEEEEEEEE". The sad fact is that what those are trying to maintain are actually robbing themselves of the singular purpose in life.
originally posted by: JoeGee
For example, in China, they have the freedom to give birth, but their freedom of choice to have more than 1 child is hindered.
the freedom of will and choice is only a freedom we have in the Western world.
When did freedom of choice become a western thing? Do you really believe that?
again, did not say that...Are you even reading my posts? Where are you getting your information from? FAKE NEWS! lol
the freedom of choice and will is a freedom only we enjoy in the west.
originally posted by: Nyiah
originally posted by: MisterSpock
originally posted by: JoeGee
originally posted by: Nyiah
How good a life do you seriously think a teenager could have made for the long-term with a baby or child support garnishments in the mix? I had a cheap studio apartment at 17, ramen or rice for damn near every meal, and could barely afford THAT on minimum wage FT. In no way, shape or form would having had a baby at that age have been feasible or justifiable. That would have been abject poverty whether or not I had a SO to share the monetary problems with.
And this is what separates those that will sacrifice and persevere to make it and those that are content with their lives and don't want to change and will avoid any potential hardache as long as they stay content.
Pretty much, we are moving more and more towards the generation of "Me..Me.MEEEEEEEE". The sad fact is that what those are trying to maintain are actually robbing themselves of the singular purpose in life.
The concept is FAR from new. It goes back ages. There are plenty of voluntarily child-free people in every generation, including numerous posters spanning a gamut of age ranges you interact with on here, who'd be pretty damn offended by the insinuation that their ONLY purpose in life is to breed.
Not everyone wants a Duggar Village's worth of kids.
Not everyone wants a baker's dozen.
Not everyone wants half a dozen.
Not everyone wants three (including me)
Not everyone wants more than one.
Some don't want any at ALL.
You're being extremely presumptuous to call it their "singular purpose" in life. You have no idea what billions of individuals think their actual purpose in life is.
originally posted by: JoeGee
a reply to: Nyiah
And the end of the day, what good would any writting, any painting, any work of music, anything matter...if you don't "breed" and our future can enjoy it...?
I’d personally say the greatest thing God gave all of us was free will and choice. I guess you feel differently.
You forget that only the western world enjoys those freedoms, the rest of the world does not.
Abortions are available across the world and have nothing to do with western freedoms.
You were saying, to quote "greatest thing God gave all of us was free will and choice"...I would disagree because the point I'm making is that the freedom of will and choice is only a freedom we have in the Western world. I'm not saying abortion is unavalible in the rest of the world
When did freedom of choice become a western thing?
Procreation is a freedom everyone in the world enjoys, east and west.
the freedom of choice and will is a freedom only we enjoy in the west.
Hence why our founding fathers had to fight for their freedoms and bestow it upon us, because freedom was not granted to them naturally.
the freedom of choice and will is a freedom only we enjoy in the west.
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I’ll ask you once more... not in regards to abortion at all.
When did freedom of choice become a western thing?
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: Nyiah
Nailed it.
The only thing I’d add to your point is that choosing to have children is probably the most “me, me, meeeee” thing anyone could ever do.
Unless someone is delusional enough to think they’re doing the world a service by having kids, but while not a selfish “me, me, meeee” decision, it’s still very problematic for other reasons. Like grandeur and a sense of self importance.
originally posted by: JoeGee
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I’ll ask you once more... not in regards to abortion at all.
When did freedom of choice become a western thing?
July 4th, 1776 Declaration of Independance
March 16, 1791 The Rights of Man