New York City to Erect Monument to Trans Icons Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera

originally posted by: Zrtst
The WHO just changed trans from a "disorder" to a "condition".
"It’s not that what it means to be transgender has changed in any meaningful way as much as it is that being transgender is no longer being called a ‘disorder’ but is instead being called a ‘condition,’ one that might require medical intervention but is not inherently pathological. The WHO said it best, “Gender incongruence, meanwhile, has also been moved out of mental disorders in the ICD, into sexual health conditions. The rationale being that while evidence is now clear that it is not a mental disorder, and indeed classifying it in this can cause enormous stigma for people who are transgender, there remain significant health care needs that can best be met if the condition is coded under the ICD.” Forbes article May 30.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around putting up a statue of a person because they had a type of dysphoria.

Got no problem just think it's symbolic where like any community the monies could better spent helping them individually.

a reply to: DBCowboy

These monuments will be angrily torn down by liberals in 100 years. They have short memories.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Bill , You are a Genuine Sum of a Bee Itch with a Pair of Large Testes . ( Lighter Lit , Full Flame ) ..........)

originally posted by: Zrtst
The WHO just changed trans from a "disorder" to a "condition".
"It’s not that what it means to be transgender has changed in any meaningful way as much as it is that being transgender is no longer being called a ‘disorder’ but is instead being called a ‘condition,’ one that might require medical intervention but is not inherently pathological. The WHO said it best, “Gender incongruence, meanwhile, has also been moved out of mental disorders in the ICD, into sexual health conditions. The rationale being that while evidence is now clear that it is not a mental disorder, and indeed classifying it in this can cause enormous stigma for people who are transgender, there remain significant health care needs that can best be met if the condition is coded under the ICD.” Forbes article May 30.
I'm just trying to wrap my head around putting up a statue of a person because they had a type of dysphoria.

Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera lived in a time and place where a gay male drag queen would be beaten and thrown in jail for being that.

A long quote and I'm sorry...

The Stonewall riots (also referred to as the Stonewall uprising or the Stonewall rebellion) were a series of spontaneous, violent demonstrations by members of the gay (LGBT) community against a police raid that took place in the early morning hours of June 28, 1969, at the Stonewall Inn in the Greenwich Village neighborhood of Manhattan, New York City. They are widely considered to constitute the most important event leading to the gay liberation movement and the modern fight for LGBT rights in the United States.

Gay Americans in the 1950s and 1960s faced an anti-gay legal system. Early homophile groups in the U.S. sought to prove that gay people could be assimilated into society, and they favored non-confrontational education for homosexuals and heterosexuals alike. The last years of the 1960s, however, were very contentious, as many social/political movements were active, including the civil rights movement, the counterculture of the 1960s, and the anti–Vietnam War movement. These influences, along with the liberal environment of Greenwich Village, served as catalysts for the Stonewall riots.

Very few establishments welcomed openly gay people in the 1950s and 1960s. Those that did were often bars, although bar owners and managers were rarely gay. At the time, the Stonewall Inn was owned by the Mafia. It catered to an assortment of patrons and was known to be popular among the poorest and most marginalized people in the gay community: drag queens, transgender people, effeminate young men, butch lesbians, male prostitutes, and homeless youth. en.wikipedia.org...

They were a very big part of the early LGBT movement at the time of the Civil Rights movements.

A movement that was later co-opted by the Democratic party and turned into a political tool.

They did some brave things, some wonderful things, some stupid things and they were, at the end of the day, human.

However, they did fight for something they believed in and that should be noted.

The LGBT community is nothing then like it was now.

Which is a shame, really....

Much like the Democratic party, it used to be an organization that represented their members.

Not anymore.

a reply to: carewemust

" These monuments will be angrily torn down by liberals in 100 years. "


I give a Decade at Most . Morons have Very Short Memories........

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: Plotus
I'm just too Awesome to be offended.

We should put up a statue of you.

***Snarf coughing***
How bout this🤣😆😆😆😆

a reply to: Bigburgh

EPIC!

very empowering, or something

a reply to: DBCowboy

We should remember that creating a history is much better than tearing one down. More monuments are better than less. We should defend their monuments even if they would throw ours down.

Just stay in your lane with all that bs.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Your head's too little.

Edit: Nevermind! I was thinking that was a statue of Michael (aka Michelle) Obama.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: carewemust

" These monuments will be angrily torn down by liberals in 100 years. "
I give a Decade at Most . Morons have Very Short Memories........

New York City is working to ban building anything from steel, glass, iron, etc.. The statues will have to be "natural". Maybe high-priced marble will work. But in NYC, they might be stolen, re-cut and sold as counter tops, or something.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't live in NYC but if I did, I think I'd go paint or spray or throw stuff at these Monuments or even smash them up!

Like another poster said: the Left do similar to Monuments they don't like, so the left shouldn't be upset at all.

So let me get this "straight".

The statues are part of an initiative honoring women and are defined as "women statues".

Quote from gay senator Tom Duane . . .

The statues will be part of the city’s #SheBuilt initiative, honoring women who have made an impact in the history of New York. “We need more women statues around New York City,” Duane added.

The statues are the likeness of two people who self identified as "drag queens" who were politically active in the 1960s movement known as the "Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries" (STAR) that fought for gay liberation and transgender rights.

A common definition of transvestite . . .

Noun transvestite (plural transvestites) A person who sometimes wears clothes traditionally worn by and associated with the opposite sex; typically a male who cross-dresses occasionally by habit or personal choice.

With the usage notes . . .

Transvestite should not be confused with transgender or transsexual (see those terms for more); transvestites are often happy with their gender and have no desire to change their sex . . . The term should also not be confused with drag queen (“person who performs feminity”) or drag king (“person who performs masculinity”); those terms are specifically for performers.

OK, this is what I'm getting so far.

These two "drag queens", men that performed on stage as women (who shouldn't be confused with transvestites BTW) that were gay (men who are sexually attracted to other men) and never had sex re-assignment surgery (so are considered male) but yet are referred to using pronouns like "she" and "her" are being honored with a statue by a group that represents women.

All this makes me confused about the definition of gender more than ever now. None of this makes any sense to me. I'm not upset that this is being built, even if NY tax money is involved. What the hell, Minneapolis has a statue of Mary Tyler Moore, right? Over all I'm just extremely confused, perplexed you might say.

It seems to me that feminists, homosexuals, transvestites, drag queens, cross-dressers, transsexuals, and even straight women should be upset that these gay cross-dressing men are being honored as women.

a reply to: Lumenari

Interesting response and quote. I vaguely recall reading about that time and place although I was outa the country when all that went down.

I got no problem with them putting up monuments to these people. Each "community" has its heros, so be it.

a reply to: Bigburgh

Oh! Crap! He's got Photoshop.