Mexico comes to the table

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Did you just reference a taco tax?
Tacos are food.

While that sounds enraging, I was speaking more of produce.

I remember the good ol' days of 2 tacos for a buck at Jack-in-the-Crack.
Now it's $1.28.
Memories...

I remember the good ol' days of 2 tacos for a buck at Jack-in-the-Crack.
Now it's $1.28.
Memories...

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: projectvxn

What do you call the fact they don’t just go after the employers here and fix the problem at the root, of not aiding illegal immigration?

Another systemic problem Congress has refused to address. What would you call it?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

yeah those illegal aliens do produce a lot, probably more than some lazy american citizens
a taco tax is unbearable

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: projectvxn

What do you call the fact they don’t just go after the employers here and fix the problem at the root, of not aiding illegal immigration?

Employers employing people with fraudulent identities, but doing so in good faith, is the actual root of the problem?

I am an employer. I even go so far as to use eVerify for each new hire, assuming that a stamp of approval from the Federal Government would be airtight....until the case a couple years back where people had used eVerify and still ended up with fraudulent identities hiding illegal immigrants in their employ.

The "root" of this problem is our incredibly lax border security, and our refusal to leverage our strength against our neighbors to manage their own populations. You notice that we don't have a real issue with Canadians coming in illegally. Likely because the Canadian government has sought diversified economic efforts and manages to keep corruption low enough that it doesn't bankrupt the country.

I don't know why every keeps saying these tariffs are taxes on the consumer.

That's not how tariffs work and it's not what they are meant to accomplish.

You are not FORCED to buy a new vehicle and pay the increased cost of a tariff. It's meant to position the imported product poorly(price wise) and shift sales to non tariffed(presumably domestic produced) product.

Just like china does in order to stifle sales of imported(non chinese business) products or to promote the local manufacture of a foreign business goods in the market it wishes to sell in.

Not a tax, just don't buy the item. I know that's hard in this day and age of rampant consumerism of unnecessary products.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: CriticalStinker

yeah those illegal aliens do produce a lot, probably more than some lazy american citizens
a taco tax is unbearable

There in lies the problem. American's (consumers and producers) got too greedy. Producers wanted higher margins, and consumers wanted cheaper products. The only way we could do that without breaking labor laws was exploiting someone else's. And while for a short period of time it was like gas on our raging economic fire, we're starting to see the effects of not keeping more of our economy based at home.

Purchasing power, inflation, the list goes on and on. Austerity, NAFTA, and most importantly not focusing on our country, our citizens, and treating our people as our largest asset has lead us to where we are.

5% tax to consumers aren't going to change much in Mexico IMO. As johnny pointed out, I don't see illegal immigration getting solved until we go after employers her. The trade war on China isn't going to be fruitful so long as our reliance on them is so high and they know it.

I'm not saying that we don't have all the problems discussed recently, I'm just disagreeing on how we're trying to "fix" it.

We have a sickness, and we're trying to take the American approach of taking pills to suppress symptoms rather than trying to cure the root problems.

a reply to: projectvxn

Who gives a care what Mexico thinks. What are they gonna do, start another war to lose? # em, raise the tariffs even higher.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Everify with A or B & C identification is incredibly hard to get through. Almost anything isn't bulletproof, but if the procedures were put in place, it could reduce dramatically the amount of illegals that can work.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: projectvxn

Who gives a care what Mexico thinks. What are they gonna do, start another war to lose? # em, raise the tariffs even higher.

That will teach the Mexicans, by getting Americans to pay our own government more money for their goods, lol.

He also needs to start taxing all wire transfers (Western Union, Xoom, etc) to Mexico and Central America, say at 40%

a reply to: TonyS

Guy...........have you thought this through?

I think so.

OK, the major car manufacturers get a lot of parts from Mexico... given. That means the parts makers rely on the money from the car manufacturers to sell their parts. It's a two-way exchange, you know. So when the tariffs kick in, the cars will be more expensive, car makers will be looking for cheaper ways to get the parts. That means the Mexican factories will make less money, and that means they will pay less taxes to the Mexican government, people will be laid off in Mexico, and some of these plants may decide it's less hassle to just make the parts in the US.

You are looking at the situation as though there is no other place but Mexico to get parts and Mexico is selling us parts out of the goodness of their hearts. Neither is true. There may not be other plants right now, but there's a lot of abandoned factories that were moved to Mexico that could be re-opened.

The back-up you mention is not realistic. Trump is not shutting down trade; he is implementing a tax on imports. That tax will likely be paid like any other tax... by the manufacturer. The truck drivers are not going to be sitting in some line somewhere waiting to shell out cash. It just don't work like that. Trust me; I drove OTR for 8 years. I spent a LOT of time in Laredo pulling loads from Mexico. The only thing this will do is drive the cost of parts up until the situation is resolved. Some folks might want to hold off on that purchase of a new car for a couple of months, or find a manufacturer who doesn't depend on Mexico. If things take longer than that, the car makers will open plants back up here. They're not going to go out of business over some allegiance to Mexico.

As for losing market value... that's just jitters. A smart investor will be buying stock while everyone else is panicking over nothing and making out big time when everything settles. Most of it is likely due to the MSM talking up fears anyway. They're more to blame for the market drop than Trump is.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Everify with A or B & C identification is incredibly hard to get through. Almost anything isn't bulletproof, but if the procedures were put in place, it could reduce dramatically the amount of illegals that can work.

It dumps the responsibility for immigration onto the employer. Why should I spend time/money helping the US government do a job it doesn't even really make an attempt to do on its own?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: CriticalStinker

yeah those illegal aliens do produce a lot, probably more than some lazy american citizens
a taco tax is unbearable

There in lies the problem. American's (consumers and producers) got too greedy. Producers wanted higher margins, and consumers wanted cheaper products. The only way we could do that without breaking labor laws was exploiting someone else's. And while for a short period of time it was like gas on our raging economic fire, we're starting to see the effects of not keeping more of our economy based at home.

Purchasing power, inflation, the list goes on and on. Austerity, NAFTA, and most importantly not focusing on our country, our citizens, and treating our people as our largest asset has lead us to where we are.

5% tax to consumers aren't going to change much in Mexico IMO. As johnny pointed out, I don't see illegal immigration getting solved until we go after employers her. The trade war on China isn't going to be fruitful so long as our reliance on them is so high and they know it.

I'm not saying that we don't have all the problems discussed recently, I'm just disagreeing on how we're trying to "fix" it.

We have a sickness, and we're trying to take the American approach of taking pills to suppress symptoms rather than trying to cure the root problems.

Long term, I think Trump is trying to put in place the mechanisms that bring a lot of those jobs back. Economically, globalism doesn't work because the standards of living in America are so high that even our "poor" are actually part of the 1% income wise globally. Low income workers in America cannot compete with a worker who is willing to work 12-15 hour days for $1/day.

Ross Perot tried to tell everyone NAFTA was going to suck out jobs from the US and he got laughed at but any businessman would have seen that coming from a mile away.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Everify with A or B & C identification is incredibly hard to get through. Almost anything isn't bulletproof, but if the procedures were put in place, it could reduce dramatically the amount of illegals that can work.

It dumps the responsibility for immigration onto the employer. Why should I spend time/money helping the US government do a job it doesn't even really make an attempt to do on its own?

You already have to do it for tax purposes, adding a few extra steps isn't going to break anyone. I used to have to do high volume hires for a corporation, we went through all the processes and it didn't seem more time consuming than doing the bare minimum.

originally posted by: LSU2018
a reply to: projectvxn

Who gives a care what Mexico thinks. What are they gonna do, start another war to lose? # em, raise the tariffs even higher.

I don't think that is the point the President is trying to make.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I'm not saying that we don't have all the problems discussed recently, I'm just disagreeing on how we're trying to "fix" it.

Your in depth analysis is not incorrect, and the current plan seems shortsighted, but I do not think the full plan has been unveiled. I am willing to give the current administration a shot at fixing a problem recent administrations appear to have outright ignored. Congress does not seem interested in any remedy.
Perhaps there is a tasty canadian alternative to the taco?

a reply to: TheRedneck

That's exactly what will happen long term... suppliers and manufacturers will start doing the math and find other places to produce their goods. This is a long-term play, but in the short-term it may result in higher prices as businesses will have to pass those costs on. It is an indirect tax on consumers as they ultimately wind up paying one way or the other.

The goal is to make the math work here in the US or close the gap enough that any savings is not worth shipping manufacturing/jobs overseas.

You want companies to be like.... I need to build a new plant. I can build it in Detroit or Mexico. How does government make it work so that Detroit makes sense over Mexico. The tariffs also insure foreign companies are competing on a level playing field. No, you are not going to come sell your junk products made with slave labor here and undercut our companies to the point that they need get rid of American jobs just to compete.

Quite frankly, if a US based company is going to put it's profits before the US citizens, then they should not be able to also get 100% of the benefits of being a US based company.

I think corporate taxes need to be very low but only if a company keeps it's manufacturing locally in the US.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Your in depth analysis is not incorrect, and the current plan seems shortsighted, but I do not think the full plan has been unveiled. I am willing to give the current administration a shot at fixing a problem recent administrations appear to have outright ignored.

And I'm not kicking and screaming on these issues like I do "national security" and freedoms, so I'm willing to see it play out. 5% at the end of the day shouldn't break us or we as individuals have been shortsighted. Maybe you're right there is more to the plan.

Perhaps there is a tasty canadian alternative to the taco?

What is that? Ham sold as bacon covered in maple syrup or something?

I'm good.