Scientists accuse Hungary of seeking "total political control" over research

More attacks on science by right wing governments. No doubt sick of science finding things that are inconvenient to the narrative. Hungry just declared itself an illiberal state the other day. This is facism pure and simple.

BUDAPEST (Reuters) - Hungary’s oldest and biggest scientific institute accused the government on Wednesday of trying to take “total political control” of vital research through plans to set up a new state body to oversee funding and work.

The government is drafting legislation to strip the Hungarian Academy of Sciences of its network of research institutions and hand over their buildings and assets to the new council, news website Index.hu on Tuesday.

Right-wing prime minister Viktor Orban, who took power in 2010, has tightened controls over public life, including the courts, the media and education - moves that have put him on a collision course with the European Union.

The government has said he wants to shake up funding to encourage more lucrative and innovative research.

“The modifications would amount to total government - political - control over the network of research institutions,” said the governing body of the Academy’s research network which is funded by the government but manages itself.

The proposed set-up of a new National Scientific Policy Council to run the networks “potentially poses a threat to the academic freedom and freedom of research” guaranteed in the Hungarian Constitution, the statement said.

Staff would mount a protest on Sunday, it added without going into more details. Scientists and rights groups have campaigned against earlier calls by government for an overhaul of the system.

The new Council - chaired by Innovation and Technology Minister Laszlo Palkovics - would set out areas of research that would receive funding, said website Index.hu, citing the government’s proposal.

His ministry said on Tuesday the current system was inefficient and the aim of the plans was to push more funding and research into “patents and inventions serving the Hungarian economy”.

The European Commission said on Tuesday it would monitor the developments in Hungary’s public research system and urged authorities “to refrain from any decision restricting scientific and academic freedom.”

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Just stop giving Hungary any subsidiaries! Or any money out of EU's pockets at all!

The US and most governments of the world fund and oversee research. Without grant money research would grind to a halt .

It took Hungary long enough .

The Academy of science sounds as liberal as Berkeley.

This is more left-wing propaganda via manipulation of a situation .

I would venture to say it’s bcause of the beating they took at the ballot box other day.

Because of that the iberal lead EUSSR/MSM are going to be doing a lot of name-calling and vilifying .

It’s straight out of the liberal playbook rule #1..... vindictively attack things, people and results you don’t like .

To prove that you did not look farther than what they’ve done to trump or for the tone of this thread for that matter .

When the left-wing engages in this very same behavior the media labels it as progress.

Orban is certainly a nutbar, but he is the reaction to the action on the increasingly radical left that proceeded his rise.

Are you ready for moderate politics yet? Most people make the mistake that because you are a moderate that you can't be passionate about certain issues like healthcare or the environment - mostly because that is how the extremist, power hungry politicians instruct you to think so they can maintain their legitimacy. However, what it actually means is that you occupy a space where you are capable of civilly and cogently expressing those passions to others that may have an opposite temperament as yourself in the effort of reaching a compromise and achieving real progress with a maximized outcome for everyone involved. Not make believe political progress like "Yes We Can!"

Can we? Really? Did we? Nope. Why? Because we attempted to do so through control, manipulation and domination of those who didn't see eye to eye with us instead of just simply having a damn conversation and sharing ideas and information. And look, now the table has turned and those we didn't see eye to eye with are even further apart from us and holding all the power. Imagine that. It's almost as if there is this theory leftists are always touting when it comes to economics that would be useful here...

The fact that so many still haven't grasped this concept and the fact that we seem hellbent on reliving all of history's dumbest and cruelest moments over and over tells me that despite our constant virtue signaling and back-patting we really haven't progressed that far at all from where we started in this world. So in summation, quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

Science: there are two genders

Government, we will pull your finding

Science: there are many genders...show me the money

If Hungary is pulling money for people who are trying to push politics while calling it science...bravo

originally posted by: sooth
When the left-wing engages in this very same behavior the media labels it as progress.

Orban is certainly a nutbar, but he is the reaction to the action on the increasingly radical left that proceeded his rise.

Are you ready for moderate politics yet? Most people make the mistake that because you are a moderate that you can't be passionate about certain issues like healthcare or the environment - mostly because that is how the extremist, power hungry politicians instruct you to think so they can maintain their legitimacy. However, what it actually means is that you occupy a space where you are capable of civilly and cogently expressing those passions to others that may have an opposite temperament as yourself in the effort of reaching a compromise and achieving real progress with a maximized outcome for everyone involved. Not make believe political progress like "Yes We Can!"

Can we? Really? Did we? Nope. Why? Because we attempted to do so through control, manipulation and domination of those who didn't see eye to eye with us instead of just simply having a damn conversation and sharing ideas and information. And look, now the table has turned and those we didn't see eye to eye with are even further apart from us and holding all the power. Imagine that. It's almost as if there is this theory leftists are always touting when it comes to economics that would be useful here...

The fact that so many still haven't grasped this concept and the fact that we seem hellbent on reliving all of history's dumbest and cruelest moments over and over tells me that despite our constant virtue signaling and back-patting we really haven't progressed that far at all from where we started in this world. So in summation, quite frankly, I don't want to hear it.

There is some truth in what you are saying. Look at the results that are occurring at the moment. The centrists are being hit hard as people identify with opposite ends of the spectrum. In Europe, Right wing nationalists and Green-left both picked up gains, centre dropped. In Australia, both Major parties received lower primary votes, Right wing One Nation and Left Wing Greens both picked up.

a reply to: harold223

No.

Hungary is trying to get rid of the last vestiges of totalitarian leftists/communists and their "research" such as using psychiatry to place political opponents in mental hospitals.

Just a reminder, dear twenty-something ignorant leftists, that is it the left, communism/socialism that ran the greatest open air prison in Earth history with the Iron Curtain under which Hungary's people suffered for nearly FIFTY YEARS.

Tens of millions lived in dismal, totalitarian conditions in extreme poverty until socialism was overthrown in the late 80's to mid 90s.

Opponents to socialism were run over by tanks, as was the case in Hungary in 1956.
Twenty-year-old socialists just out of University appointed to the Academy in the early 90s are now in their fifties in senior management positions.


Bravo to the Hungarians for getting rid of these MONSTERS.
BRAVO!
BRAVO!
BRAVO!

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: harold223

No.



Just a reminder, dear twenty-something ignorant leftists, that is it the left, communism/socialism that ran the greatest open air prison in Earth history with the Iron Curtain under which Hungary's people suffered for nearly FIFTY YEARS.

I am not a 20 something ignorant leftists. I am old enough to remember the fall of the Berlin Wall. I am also a mature age student in History and International relations. I am not ignorant.

originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: harold223

No.



Just a reminder, dear twenty-something ignorant leftists, that is it the left, communism/socialism that ran the greatest open air prison in Earth history with the Iron Curtain under which Hungary's people suffered for nearly FIFTY YEARS.

I am not a 20 something ignorant leftists. I am old enough to remember the fall of the Berlin Wall. I am also a mature age student in History and International relations. I am not ignorant.

Then, SUPPORT the Hungarian gov getting rid of socialist garbage at the Academy.

History shows that the vast majority of totalitarian regimes in history are socialist and that most of them are failed states.

Wake up!

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: harold223

No.



Just a reminder, dear twenty-something ignorant leftists, that is it the left, communism/socialism that ran the greatest open air prison in Earth history with the Iron Curtain under which Hungary's people suffered for nearly FIFTY YEARS.

I am not a 20 something ignorant leftists. I am old enough to remember the fall of the Berlin Wall. I am also a mature age student in History and International relations. I am not ignorant.

Then, SUPPORT the Hungarian gov getting rid of socialist garbage at the Academy.

History shows that the vast majority of totalitarian regimes in history are socialist and that most of them are failed states.

Wake up!

No, I don't do facism.

originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: harold223

originally posted by: M5xaz
a reply to: harold223

No.



Just a reminder, dear twenty-something ignorant leftists, that is it the left, communism/socialism that ran the greatest open air prison in Earth history with the Iron Curtain under which Hungary's people suffered for nearly FIFTY YEARS.

I am not a 20 something ignorant leftists. I am old enough to remember the fall of the Berlin Wall. I am also a mature age student in History and International relations. I am not ignorant.

Then, SUPPORT the Hungarian gov getting rid of socialist garbage at the Academy.

History shows that the vast majority of totalitarian regimes in history are socialist and that most of them are failed states.

Wake up!

No, I don't do facism.

You absolutely do in supporting socialists

Don't mindless repeat something because " you saw it on TV"

Read a book sometime

This sounds like things are heading pretty quickly towards fascism to me

Arguably, the political changes of the last decade have resulted in the establishment of a hybrid political system, in which the degree of power concentration is exceptional—at least in European terms. Orbán and his party not only keep a firm grip on the legislative and executive branches, but also dominate virtually all spheres of social life, including commerce, education, the arts, churches, and even sports. The regime’s “hybridness” reflects the uneven development of nondemocratic practices across various sectors of society. Certain subsystems—the courts, for instance—still operate with a large degree of independence, though the executive has been putting them under growing pressure. Other institutions, such as the prosecutors’ offices and the state media, function as ruling-party outposts.

Krekó, P 2018, ‘Orbán's Laboratory of Illiberalism’, Journal of Democracy., vol. 29, no. 3.

That's not just what Hungary does ! The whole EU is built around the principle of Politiclaly enforced obscurantism for centuries. Hungary together with Czech Republics and Slovakia are among the beggest user of this trick to guarantee modern day backwardness while uselessly attempting to serve as some sort of bait against Russia using special rhetoric

Total political Control is very difficult in Hungary since they completely depend on the EU and NATO.
That also entails all the kind of EU-NATO research on eugenics to attempt to create an "Hybrid Euro-Afro-Islamist Uebermensch" by genetically altering children and torture conditioning ...

Hungary as well is now involved the EU race for the Uebermensch, using eugenics methods against Children, to usher in the "Islamist master race" that the EU has been trying to create for decades ! All proudly led by the president and the highest institution of the country.