Muslim mass migration - has the world finally had enough?

originally posted by: pexx421
Well that’s funny considering that the us uses far more electricity, food, etc per person by far than Africans, Muslims, or central and South Americans. And we produce much more pollution per person too.

Yes...

But that higher "per capita" is multiplied by fewer capitas. 300 million Americans, rather than 2 billion Muslims, and growing.

Islam has the highest population growth rate all all ethnicities world wide. Some nations have doubled their population in fewer than 20 years.

en.wikipedia.org...


That sounds minor, unless you understand exponents. If a doubling happens ever 20 or 40 years, then in 200 or 400 years, that population would multiply by a factor of 1024.

Or like in the "wheat and chessboard" problem, the 64th doubling would give you a number of people so large, even giving each of them one grain of wheat to eat per year would require an amount of wheat sufficient to cover the whole nation of India in about 8 meters of wheat.

en.wikipedia.org...

And I’d like to see any evidence that Muslim feelings towards America are not based off of our wars of aggression there. In interrogation after interrogation people in abu graib and other torture centers stated they had little ill feelings towards the us until seeing their friends and family murdered in front of them by us weapons and bombs.

You do realize that Abu Graib was ALREADY operational PRIOR to the invasion, right? And the stuff happening there prior to the invasion was far worse than anything that happened after.

It's always this same double standard.

If America ever does anything even a tenth as bad as what the Muslims in the area were already doing, we get blamed as though we had done worse than them.

Threads on here have become so one dimensional.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Like “Orange Man Bad”???

a reply to: pexx421

You might be able to make that claim about the most recent iraq-iran war. But those two have been at war for centuries, long before there was a USA to blame.

And even then, if this was a proxy war our opponent was just as guilty as we were.

You also have to remember that what you call attempted coup or arms trading with both sides is a less invasive way of fighting the same war. Why should we put boots on the ground when we can let our enemies destroy each other? This is not a new concept or a device of US origin. This is old news in the business of war.

If iraq and iran had never been at war before the US got involved I would agree with you completely. But centuries of aggression between the two belay your assertion of US culpability.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
Threads on here have become so one dimensional.

And this is on topic in what way?

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Or we could leave them alone and not radicalize Islam (which WE did) and let them become more liberal and inclusive on their own. Every society under attack radicalizes, it’s a normal reaction, and we did that. Iran was the most westernized nation in the Middle East with liberal policies and democracy prior to us overthrowing mossadegh and installing a brutal dictator. Sure, dehumanize the enemy and brush off the atrocities our nation has committed in order to justify us murdering millions, destroying the lives and futures of nations, and continuing to do so in South America, Africa, and the Middle East. I learned growing up that you don’t attack people who aren’t attacking you. There was a name for people who did that, and our court systems put people who do that in jail. No wonder we have so many people shooting up innocent folks in schools and churches when so many of our people, as shown here, don’t know it’s wrong to kill people who are no threat to you.

And like I tell all the religious fundamentalists, no bible is proof of anything. And there’s nothing any more violent in the Muslim bible than there is in the Christian or Jewish holy books. By your statements all monotheists are suspect and we should only trust the Buddhists, which is a good things since China is ascending.

originally posted by: pexx421


And like I tell all the religious fundamentalists, no bible is proof of anything. And there’s nothing any more violent in the Muslim bible than there is in the Christian or Jewish holy books. By your statements all monotheists are suspect and we should only trust the Buddhists, which is a good things since China is ascending.

The bible has both an old testament and a new testament. (All part of its self contradictory nature.)

All the violence is in the old testament. All the sweet cuddly stuff is in the New Testament. They're two completely different ideologies cobbled together into one, probably so the Christians could claim to arise from an old tradition, instead of being an invention of their own era.


On the other hand, the Koran has only one testament. And it is violent, written by a prophet who personally lead armies to war.

a reply to: pexx421

First, not everyone wants to be liberal. Some aspire to greater things than liberalism. Second, musims have had thousands of years to work on being more 'modern'. These are an ancient people still living the stone age.

As for the US radicalizing islam, I disagree. I don't know how old you are but I remember hearing about terrorist attacks back in the 60's. Here is a link to a succinct history of islamic terror in the 60's and 70's. It is quite informative.

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a reply to: pexx421

You can't have an honest discussion about islam only citing the koran as source information. The hadith are as much a part of islam as the koran, if not more. For instance, the salat, the five daily prayers the devout must recite are not in the koran anywhere. They are only in the hadith. Sharia law is not in the koran. It is only in the hadith. That is why it is so disingenuous when people point to the koran and say there is nothing of violence in this book. The koran only represents half of islam. And it is not entirely true that there is no violence in the koran either. It is limited, but it is there.

Or we could leave them alone and not radicalize Islam (which WE did)

uhmmm, yeah youre a fkn idiot

You’re replying to arguments I’m not making. I was responding to an earlier poster who said “just look at their Koran to see why they hate us”.

I said let them become more liberal, and this is the problem. I didn’t mean pro choice and affirmative action, But you’re ideological disposition forces you to go there. I meant more liberal in their policies as far as modernization of rights and social standards. Liberal as opposed to fundamentalist.

Lastly, you can point to all the fundamentalist dogma and doctrine you want, but every race and religion, once out of the auspices of their autocratic and authoritarian regimes, say, moving to the us or Europe, often shortly after arrival and at most after one generation, become assimilated. I’ve known plenty Muslim immigrants very closely and personally, from the month they moved here, and within weeks to months they start drinking, drugs, having sex, eating bacon, and totally abandoning any thoughts of “death to America!” I’ve had relations with a few. Just normal people, like anyone else. Far less extreme than jehovas witnesses that I’ve dated.

originally posted by: Rikku

Or we could leave them alone and not radicalize Islam (which WE did)

uhmmm, yeah youre a fkn idiot

And you’re a dick. Come back when you have points and debate like an adult.

a reply to: pexx421

my point was clear, you cant blame the west for radicalising islam.
it has always been 'radical' .

Why is it only Muslims that they are mass immigrating? Why is it that there is no Muslim Peace movement if they care so much about everyone and deny wanting war with the West? Why is it that when terrorist events happen, all Muslims, including so called moderates, never condemn the attacks? Why do we have Muslim women in our Congress, that are outright spitting hate and filth in the faces of our own people and no one is impeaching them? There are many more questions to be answered, but there is only one answer that makes sense. They are doing exactly what they say they are doing...taking over by numbers, and from the inside of our Government. Yet, our own people (fueled by lying Liberal media) acts as if nothing is even happening, and silencing those who say anything. These Muslims are buying out our Politician's, and paying them to help them destroy our country. It's pretty obvious if you're not a Liberal traitor.

originally posted by: Rikku
a reply to: pexx421

my point was clear, you cant blame the west for radicalising islam.
it has always been 'radical' .

Your problem if you don’t know history. Radicalized Wahhabism was fostered by the us In grooming bin laden and his mujahadin to engage Russia in Afghanistan. Reagan praised them as “the greatest freedom fighters in the world”. Just as we radicalized the South American death squads and taught them to rape and murder in order to instill maximum terror into the civilian populations of their own countries.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
Why is it only Muslims that they are mass immigrating? Why is it that there is no Muslim Peace movement if they care so much about everyone and deny wanting war with the West? Why is it that when terrorist events happen, all Muslims, including so called moderates, never condemn the attacks? Why do we have Muslim women in our Congress, that are outright spitting hate and filth in the faces of our own people and no one is impeaching them? There are many more questions to be answered, but there is only one answer that makes sense. They are doing exactly what they say they are doing...taking over by numbers, and from the inside of our Government. Yet, our own people (fueled by lying Liberal media) acts as if nothing is even happening, and silencing those who say anything. These Muslims are buying out our Politician's, and paying them to help them destroy our country. It's pretty obvious if you're not a Liberal traitor.

And apparently you don’t follow history either. A simple google search will show numerous Islamist groups condemning Muslim terrorism, the attacks on 9/11 etc. And what did ilhan Omar say that was spitting hate and filth in the faces of Americans? We have, what, one Muslim woman in Congress, and none in the senate? Iran has far more Christians in their representative body, and Jews too.

a reply to: Rikku


Don’t y’all get it? Radicals are whichever ones our government tells you are radical, and most often that’s the ones who don’t pay off our congressmen or sell out to our corporations. It’s all a money and resources game. Saudi is the most corrupt, dictatorial, extreme Muslims in the region. And yet they team up with the us and Israel to wage war on the more moderate countries. This doesn’t give you some cognitive dissonance? This doesn’t tell you something is up? Pull your heads out of your rectums and realize that it all only adds up if 1) your nation and media is lying to you and has been for decades and 2) it’s all about money and power. Religion is the scapegoat and target used to manufacture your consent to do unspeakable things to people who are no threat to you. And to distract you from people who really are the threat. You have all, each and every one of you, been a decision away from the death of you and everyone you love, multiple times, and it wasn’t because of the Muslims.

gas I seem to remember the hungary,and Romania used to be tasked with keeping Muslims from taking over Europe by invasion, now you got politicians who Saudis paid a oil money to saying come on in we got spots in England and Sweden already to take you in.