Only In Britain = the Brexit Paradox

So the British people were fed up with the EU.

They hated the place being run by the usual, careerist, arrogant, self serving elite.

They vote for Brexit.

Our political class then make a complete dogs arse of the Brexit process for so long that we have to have EU elections in the UK, even though we should have already left the EU.

Those in the UK elected to the EU, will probably be in their for a month or so, then booted out when Britain finally finishes with the foreplay and pops its Brexit cork.

So guess what happens.

A wave of populism sweeps Europe. Dozens of populists are poised to enter the EU as MEP's and finally challenge the cosy left / liberal / capitalist consensus with some varied types of populist nationalism.

But instead of being part of the Nationalist Wave in the EU, Britain will be out of the EU - probably just as the EU finally gets it act together and starts passing some laws that may actually be worthwhile.

a reply to: englishdissident
Ooo, I liked that part "EU run by the usual, careerist, arrogant self serving elite". Now after we leave we will be run by British usual, careerist, arrogant self serving elite, just like it was before we went into the EU.
It makes not the slightest difference to me what nationality is shafting me up the back passage as it will be business as usual after we leave.

Why any country would be willing to cede their sovereignty to some self-serving foreign bureaucracy I will never understand.

a reply to: Metallicus
Yeah, lets take our sovereignty back from self serving foreign bureaucracy and put it back in the hands of our own home self serving bureaucracy. Even in the EU they've been screwing the life out of us. Or have you not heard about the years of conservative austerity measures they've inflicted on us. That was NOT the EU.

originally posted by: Metallicus
Why any country would be willing to cede their sovereignty to some self-serving foreign bureaucracy I will never understand.

EU is the second Soviet Union.

In reply to the OP, EU will never pass a ‘worthwhile law’. It’s impossible. The member states are so different that what is worthwhile to one is not to the others.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: englishdissident
Ooo, I liked that part "EU run by the usual, careerist, arrogant self serving elite". Now after we leave we will be run by British usual, careerist, arrogant self serving elite, just like it was before we went into the EU.
It makes not the slightest difference to me what nationality is shafting me up the back passage as it will be business as usual after we leave.

As far as I can tell, this totally true.

Like fair enough, the british people were sick of been Shafted by the EU. But they were going to be shafted either way, Brexit was never going to change that fact.

All Brexit does is put the British people in a position where there still being screwed, but without the perks of being apart of the EU.

It just makes no sense.

a reply to: englishdissident

I am going to eat one shoe, if Brexit happens,


And having a cake and eating it too does not count.

Full blown Brexit=eat shoe

originally posted by: englishdissident
But instead of being part of the Nationalist Wave in the EU, Britain will be out of the EU - probably just as the EU finally gets it act together and starts passing some laws that may actually be worthwhile.

Time will tell, and the EU election result has not actually been revealed (at time of writing).

The EU won't change the arch towards federalisation. It may be slowed, but not stopped.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

Like fair enough, the british people were sick of been Shafted by the EU. But they were going to be shafted either way, Brexit was never going to change that fact.

At least we can get rid of the British MP if they don't carry out what they

promised, like May?

All Brexit does is put the British people in a position where there still being screwed, but without the perks of being apart of the EU.

You got me there what perks??

We paid in more than the other 25 countries..... cash cow is leaving the EU

originally posted by: eletheiaYou got me there what perks??

Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc. Tariff-free trade within the EU. Participation in EU trade agreements. British banks and insurance companies operating freely across the EU. UK Foreign Direct Investment doubled by having access to EU Single Market. You have been making a #-ton of money thanks to that.

Freedom to reside, study, work, set up business in any EU member state with mutual recognition of professional qualifications etc. Not that any of it would matter to nationalists.

originally posted by: englishdissident
So the British people were fed up with the EU.

They hated the place being run by the usual, careerist, arrogant, self serving elite.

They vote for Brexit.

Our political class then make a complete dogs arse of the Brexit process for so long that we have to have EU elections in the UK, even though we should have already left the EU.

Those in the UK elected to the EU, will probably be in their for a month or so, then booted out when Britain finally finishes with the foreplay and pops its Brexit cork.

So guess what happens.

A wave of populism sweeps Europe. Dozens of populists are poised to enter the EU as MEP's and finally challenge the cosy left / liberal / capitalist consensus with some varied types of populist nationalism.

But instead of being part of the Nationalist Wave in the EU, Britain will be out of the EU - probably just as the EU finally gets it act together and starts passing some laws that may actually be worthwhile.

Greetings from the other side of the North Sea!

You make it sound like the EU is actually democratic, but it is just for show: we can only vote for people who have no real power. They cannot make laws, they cannot veto, they can only give a non binding advice. This whole election was a farce to begin with.

Also, I do not see this Olichargy (the EU) change in any other direction than away from ‘the people’ into the hands of a smaller and smaller elite.
The EU was started to prevent future wars, the real paradox is: it will cause a civil war in the future. Is it already starting with the yellow vests?

originally posted by: moebius

Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc.

27 countries?? there are 195 world wide and the EU is static in growth.

Tariff-free trade within the EU. Participation in EU trade agreements. British banks and insurance companies operating freely across the EU. UK Foreign Direct Investment doubled by having access to EU Single Market. You have been making a #-ton of money thanks to that.

We can make our own trade agreements, and as one country make them

quicker not having to put them to 27 other countries. Who's to say we

would not have made a bigger #-ton of money anyway?

There was life in the UK long before the EU.

Freedom to reside, study, work, set up business in any EU member state with mutual recognition of professional qualifications etc. Not that any of it would matter to nationalists.

As a family I have holidayed abroad long before the EU and enjoyed the

differences and various currencies.

I have family residing in Italy Spain and France etc. who have lived there

before there was an EU ....... So wheres the problem?

originally posted by: moebius

originally posted by: eletheiaYou got me there what perks??

Membership of the world’s largest trading bloc. Tariff-free trade within the EU. Participation in EU trade agreements. British banks and insurance companies operating freely across the EU. UK Foreign Direct Investment doubled by having access to EU Single Market. You have been making a #-ton of money thanks to that.

Freedom to reside, study, work, set up business in any EU member state with mutual recognition of professional qualifications etc. Not that any of it would matter to nationalists.

Sounds like every man, woman, and child pays a massive tax to a foreign government in exchange for corporations not paying tariffs. Why take a few dollars from a few products, when you can take money from everyone.

a reply to: crayzeed

so what do you suggest

a reply to: Metallicus

Why any country would be willing to cede their sovereignty to some self-serving foreign bureaucracy I will never understand.

Me too.
And that really is the crux of the matter.

Everything else is simply smoke in mirrors aimed at pushing the derail/dilute agenda.

a reply to: crayzeed

It will even better than business as usual now.

Now the Socialists and Conservative blocs in the EU have lost their majorities, they will now be forced to worrk together to block the new nationalist kids on the bloc, thereby proving beyond doubt that conservatism and socialism are today merely the right wing and left wing of Capitalism.

In whose interests both bloc truly serve.

a reply to: Freeborn

NATO,

WTO,

WORLD BANK.

GATT.

NAFTA.

UN.

All nations sells themselves out to supra national entities.

Its because the international banks want it way.

a reply to: Goedhardt

The civil wars of the future will be Religious Wars and Race Wars. Both of which will serve the purpose of providing a pretext for governments to repress their own people and stay in power.

originally posted by: englishdissident
Now the Socialists and Conservative blocs in the EU have lost their majorities, they will now be forced to worrk together to block the new nationalist kids on the bloc,

They will work with the Greens and the Liberals. Both these blocs are fanatical federalists. Potentially, and perversely, just as some nations are beginning to wake up to the encroachment of the EU (as has happened in the UK), the EU will accelerate their process of federalisation under the banner "it's now, or never".

Once it's done, it's done.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: Metallicus
Yeah, lets take our sovereignty back from self serving foreign bureaucracy and put it back in the hands of our own home self serving bureaucracy. Even in the EU they've been screwing the life out of us. Or have you not heard about the years of conservative austerity measures they've inflicted on us. That was NOT the EU.

Austerity was introduced by the Conservatives, yes. The reason for it was because the previous Labour government spent more than it could afford. Lots of throwing money at public services etc but not creating the funds to pay for them, so borrowing at record levels. When the Conservatives got into power there was no money left and the country was in massive debt so had to take extreme measures to recuperate.

But don't let facts get in the way of left wing rhetoric.