Gillibrand's "Family Bill of Rights"...

Did a search for family bill of rights and nothing popped.
Wrong forum? Mods please move.

So Kristen Gillibrand laid out a "Family Bill of Rights" today on a blog.
medium.com...
I don't know much about her, but I do support this 100x over.
Just 5 issues, and here is the tl;dr:

"1. Right to a safe and healthy pregnancy. The U.S. has the highest rate of pregnancy-related deaths in the industrialized world...These are largely preventable deaths — they’re generally caused by a lack of supplies, insufficient training...I’ll make sure states and hospitals are equipped to prevent and respond to pregnancy complications."
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As I wrote earlier, I know nothing of this person, only that this is a great idea. If this came for a vote, I would lobby like hell for it.

Thought I would leave this here and see what you guys thought.

so, how does one pay for these?

We really need to go back 100 years so people can reaquaint themselves with reality.

I mean seriously, who is doing the paying when your not at work caring for a dying parent?

I just went through it and I certainly didnt, nor did I expect to be paid.

a reply to: stormson

I really have a problem with her ideas that personal responsibility should not be a "good thing " any more.
I had my children ( no state hand outs) , took my unpaid maternity leave, and went back to work when the kids were 6 weeks old to provide insurance and all their necessities. Paid for child care out of my wages. My children were my responsibility, not the taxpayers.

If you can`t even pay for basic supplies to care for your children, don`t get pregnant. Pregnancy is a choice, and not the taxpayers responsibility.

I don`t know why that is so hard to understand really.

a reply to: stormson

Rich irony in this. The border situation is so desperately out of control that they're now daily dumping people in grocery store parking lots by the dozens in towns 60 miles from the nearest border crossing which forces the little towns to have to pony up the bucks to bus the "migrants" (who entered illegally but are released under the catch and release policy) to the nearest Sanctuary City for processing outward to other parts of the US where they have relatives.

I guess its all about priorities.

originally posted by: stormson
Did a search for family bill of rights and nothing popped.
Wrong forum? Mods please move.

So Kristen Gillibrand laid out a "Family Bill of Rights" today on a blog.[...].

I question some of her claims and data...

1: Source data? I have a hard time believing we have the highest pregnancy related deaths.

2: Adopting a child isn't a right. It is a privilege. There absolutely need to be income requirements and other qualifications to ensure a home is suitable for a child. You aren't adopting a puppy, but a kid....

3: Charity can do this and most hospitals already do as many of the consumer package good companies use it as a form of advertising. When my two kids were born we had a goody bag of diapers, wipes, etc. However, I contend if you can't afford basic diapers/wipes maybe you shouldn't be having a kid in the first place. Dem little mofo's expensive.

4: I agree, but again, who is going to pay for it? I do believe there needs to be better maternity leave policies but this is a company issue, not a government issue. Many companies already offer very generous benefits in this area.

5: Where don't kids have access to this? We've had programs like this... Headstart which is largely a failure. Any improvement is lost by 3rd grade. Why? Because the kids are being raised by ghetto hood rat parents. There is only so much that can be done when the kid is living in a broken home. So unless you can fix the home, this is a waste of money.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: stormson

Rich irony in this. The border situation is so desperately out of control that they're now daily dumping people in grocery store parking lots by the dozens in towns 60 miles from the nearest border crossing which forces the little towns to have to pony up the bucks to bus the "migrants" (who entered illegally but are released under the catch and release policy) to the nearest Sanctuary City for processing outward to other parts of the US where they have relatives.

I guess its all about priorities.

Especially when you consider the benefits they receive by virtue of their being illegal that our own citizens don't even receive...

The reality is we could probably offer more generous benefits to CITIZENS if we didn't have so much going out the door to illegals...

Not sure the right would agree with any of this, as it means that the child is already born and they only care when the child is in the womb.

They will do everything to deny children out of the womb help by not supporting programs that help poor children or families.

They cheer...
The Trump Plan to Cut Benefit Programs Threatens Children

...instead of addressing the needs of low-income and middle-class families through policies such as paid leave, child care, and increasing the minimum wage, the Trump administration and House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) are pushing for deep cuts to programs that help families afford the basics, all to pay for a $1.5 trillion tax cut that largely benefits wealthy individuals and corporations.6 In addition to cutting funding for these programs, President Donald Trump and Republicans in Congress are poised to increase barriers to accessing benefit programs through increasing administrative burdens and imposing work requirements.

The Republican War on the Poor and Vulnerable

The children crying out for their parents in migrant detention camps may well define this moment of the Trump era, but families fleeing extreme violence and poverty in Central America are not the only ones in the administration’s crosshairs.

Meanwhile, the White House announced plans to consolidate federal social safety net programs under one federal agency, a move critics say reflects the ultimate goal of doing away with the safety net altogether. Even as conservative lawmakers bickered over immigration, Republicans in Congress advanced legislation on Thursday that would eliminate or reduce food assistance for an estimated 2 million people.

While Republicans celebrate their tax bill, millions of poor kids are in danger of losing their health care.

Almost nine million children across America rely on the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) for health insurance, which fills the gap for families who make too much to qualify for Medicaid, but not enough to buy private insurance. And because congressional Republicans have neglected to fund it in favor of more pressing issues—like cutting taxes for corporations and literally enriching themselves—16 states are set to run out of money for CHIP by the end of January, leaving potentially millions of kids without care.

House Republicans Are Still Fixated On Making It Harder For Poor People To Eat

n June 19, the GOP proposed a plan to “balance” the country’s budget over nine years that would eviscerate Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid in order to pay for the more than $1 trillion Republican tax cut that most analysts say will benefit the wealthiest Americans. Then, two days later, the House voted 213-211 to pass a sweeping farm bill that, if enacted, would institute huge changes to the nation’s Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) ― America’s primary food program that is more commonly referred to as food stamps.

So when you hear them cry about abortion, remember it is just for show and the real reason is control over a woman's body because if it truly was for children, they would scream for more social programs that help children.

a reply to: stormson

First off, #1 is a lie.

Christ!

just google it and look at the charts!


data.unicef.org...

So basically she supports welfare queens. Well, that should get her a percentage or 2 of the vote. That's about it though. Our healthcare prices are already through the roof, topped off with unaffordable deductibles. Now they want to add even more costs to it...no thanks.

I have an idea for those that want to adopt and have kids so bad. Go out and improve yourself and financial standing enough to be able to afford these things. Parenting is one of the hardest jobs in the world for a reason. If you can't dedicate enough effort to put yourself in a place to take care of your own, you have no business having kids.

I chose not to have children. So why should I be expected to pay for yours or anyone elses? I already pay for the public schools that I will never utilize fully (this is ok with me since I attended public schools, so this is my paying back to the system).

But,if you decide to have children, you should be responsible for them...they are yours, not everyone elses job to raise.

This is pure entitlement legislation,full on socialist dogma. No thanks, I decline. I'd rather spend my money to help friends and family for that purpose. It guarantees e money is not wasted or diverted to other projects like illegal alien anchor babies.

I am sure there will be those very same people in this thread explaining why children are not their responsibility, while in another thread declaring we are doing it for the unborn child's life.

ugh..you can just feel the creepy. Remember one of their champions Roy Moore, you know the pedophile cruising malls for teens, well here they are again showing their "love" for children.

Republican Controlled Idaho Congress Rejects Bill to End Child Marriage for Those Under the Age of 16

The bill, proposed, by Democratic Representative Melissa Wintrow, aimed to prevent children under 16 from getting married and would require consent of the child, parents and a court before a marriage. Current state law allows children younger than 16-years-old to get married with parental and judicial consent, and teens who are 16 and older to get married with only parental consent.

The GOP-controlled House of Representatives voted against the legislation in a 39-28 vote on Thursday.

Never trust liberal statistics...

No, America Doesn't Have the Highest Pregnancy Deaths

a reply to: stormson

No thank you, these are not rights. Right to a nursery .. really?

a reply to: G0DK1LL3R

I didn't have the sex. It's called responsibility.

I also do not want to pay for homeless drug users .. should we just kill them?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: stormson

First off, #1 is a lie.

Christ!

just google it and look at the charts!


data.unicef.org...

from the cia www.cia.gov...

among industrialized nations, and having "the best healthcare in the world", we dont look so good. the 137 countries worse than the u.s. are no big surprise, btw.

138 UNITED STATES 14 2015 EST.
139 PUERTO RICO 14 2015 EST.
140 QATAR 13 2015 EST.
141 SAUDI ARABIA 12 2015 EST.
142 KAZAKHSTAN 12 2015 EST.
143 BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA 11 2015 EST.
144 NEW ZEALAND 11 2015 EST.
145 KOREA, SOUTH 11 2015 EST.
146 BULGARIA 11 2015 EST.
147 LITHUANIA 10 2015 EST.
148 SINGAPORE 10 2015 EST.
149 PORTUGAL 10 2015 EST.
150 LUXEMBOURG 10 2015 EST.
151 ESTONIA 9 2015 EST.
152 LIBYA 9 2015 EST.
153 UNITED KINGDOM 9 2015 EST.
154 SLOVENIA 9 2015 EST.
155 MALTA 9 2015 EST.
156 IRELAND 8 2015 EST.
157 MACEDONIA 8 2015 EST.
158 CROATIA 8 2015 EST.
159 FRANCE 8 2015 EST.
160 BELGIUM 7 2015 EST.
161 CANADA 7 2015 EST.
162 NETHERLANDS 7 2015 EST.
163 MONTENEGRO 7 2015 EST.
164 CYPRUS 7 2015 EST.
165 UNITED ARAB EMIRATES 6 2015 EST.
166 AUSTRALIA 6 2015 EST.
167 SLOVAKIA 6 2015 EST.
168 GERMANY 6 2015 EST.
169 DENMARK 6 2015 EST.
170 ISRAEL 5 2015 EST.
171 JAPAN 5 2015 EST.
172 SWITZERLAND 5 2015 EST.
173 SPAIN 5 2015 EST.
174 NORWAY 5 2015 EST.
175 AUSTRIA 4 2015 EST.
176 BELARUS 4 2015 EST.
177 SWEDEN 4 2015 EST.
178 ITALY 4 2015 EST.
179 KUWAIT 4 2015 EST.
180 CZECHIA 4 2015 EST.
181 FINLAND 3 2015 EST.
182 POLAND 3 2015 EST.
183 ICELAND 3 2015 EST.
184 GREECE 3 2015 EST.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: G0DK1LL3R

I didn't have the sex. It's called responsibility.

I also do not want to pay for homeless drug users .. should we just kill them?

So you want people to take responsibility for their actions but want to take a woman's responsibility away when it comes to her pregnancy?

originally posted by: stormson

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: stormson

First off, #1 is a lie.

Christ!

just google it and look at the charts!


data.unicef.org...

from the cia www.cia.gov...

among industrialized nations, and having "the best healthcare in the world", we dont look so good. the 137 countries worse than the u.s. are no big surprise, btw.

[...].

That study has been debunked too... You seriously think the US is 138 and Saudi Arabia is 141?

originally posted by: stormson

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: stormson

First off, #1 is a lie.

Christ!

just google it and look at the charts!


data.unicef.org...

from the cia www.cia.gov...

among industrialized nations, and having "the best healthcare in the world", we dont look so good. the 137 countries worse than the u.s. are no big surprise, btw.

[...]

So, even your stats prove her #1 item is an outright lie.

Bravo...
ETA: I noticed you failed to list the several industrialized nations listed in the previous 138. Just move the narrative when called out I see?

Debunking both the pregnancy claim and the overall healthcare claim...

US Has the Worst Healthcare? Not by a long shot...

originally posted by: G0DK1LL3R

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: G0DK1LL3R

I didn't have the sex. It's called responsibility.

I also do not want to pay for homeless drug users .. should we just kill them?

So you want people to take responsibility for their actions but want to take a woman's responsibility away when it comes to her pregnancy?

Sorry, I said exactly the opposite. Responsibility for an action usually does not involve killing someone else to make your life easier.