Will Star Trek ever return to the formula that made it one of a kind?

a reply to: EternalSolace

Not on this day and age unfortunately.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Today Kirk would be kissing spock and there would be several episodes based on dealing with their budding romance.
Oh and maybe we will see an alien..

Imagine if Gene Rodenberry wanted gay characters? All the marys heads would explode...

Gene Roddenberry, the creator of "Star Trek," was a visionary; the Starship-Enterprise that he launched on TV 25 years ago has traveled widely through American culture. This season, it will again challenge viewers to boldly go where they've never gone before. This season, gays and lesbians will appear unobtrusively aboard the Enterprise in the 24th Century. They weren't "outed," they won't be outcasts; apparently they'll be neither objects of pity nor melodramatic attention. Their sexual orientation will be a matter of indifference to the rest of the crew. 1991 Interview with Captain Gaylord himself, Gene Rodenberry

originally posted by: Qumulys
Hey... Enterprise actually isn't as bad as people make out. (Although the theme song is possibly the worst of any tv show ever in the history of now and including the next 100 years...)

Enterprise had a great theme-arc and an early look at heading off into the galaxy with the Vulcans there to do their best to hold them back. That was a unique look at what trek could be. It also had pretty awesome set design, best of all the series I think. And pretty darn good special effects! Also, Dr Phlox was a stand out, as was T'Pol - her acting of a Vulcan struggling with emotions was actually right up there.


Anyway, I've been enjoying The Orville as a replacement for that getting out there on a mission of discovery type feeling. Hoping they make a few more adjustments on the show, but it's more Star Trek that Star Trek is these days.

I agree that Enterprise had a lot of redeeming qualities.

I think for me it was just that no one wanted a prequel. I had a harder time getting into it. They took a colorful space show and stripped it down of all its futuristic charm and left it pretty bland. The only reason anyone was watching it was to see some Romulan War backstory and well..you know what happened there (or didn't happen.)

a reply to: EternalSolace
The Enterprise series was pointed out earlier but what about
Star Trek TAS ? (The Animated Series)

For me TNG, and Voyager is what Trek should have always been about. Going where they've never been before. DS9 was a decent break from that for me, but Voyager brought back what, in my opinon, made the franchise great, Exploration. Enterprise was good, but I'm not a fan of any kind of prequels.

originally posted by: Tekaran
but I'm not a fan of any kind of prequels.

The Godfather II worked for me. The prequel side was more entertaining than the sequel part.

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

Scotty B was the worse of all the star trek captains. He is always kinda whiny in my opinion he hasn't been good at Nythin g since quantum leap.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
One of the best original series episodes ever put to music:

"I'm a doctor not a brick layer"

I can't remember where I read it but Shatner said many years later something about that he made a joke about that whole "Pain" thing when they were making that episode and Nimoy got really pissed off about it and wouldn't talk to him for a long time. Something like "Somebody get that Vulcan an Aspirin" LOL

a reply to: E92M3

Sorry, it can be changed and still be good. It is garbage because of PC SJW nonsense. How much of Star Trek licensing does The Orville have? It feels much more Star Trek to me.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It's the difference between putting a sign on the road people can see, but is not distracting, and flashing strobe light billboards as far as the eye can see.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: EternalSolace

Netflix original series follow a really good formula.

I keep hoping they will come out with a stargate series like stargate universe.

I was pissed SGU was cancelled, I think it was the best SG of them all.

originally posted by: E92M3
a reply to: EternalSolace

Discovery is garbage for a reason, due to licensing they can only make it 25% "startrek" many things must be different/changed so it has nothing to do with SJW/PC etc.

www.gizmodo.com.au...

I read your source material and find that you misinterpreted the article.

The source only states, and I quote:

Speaking ONLY of the screen appearance of the Star Ship Enterprise:

"Back in April of 2017 the task of the Enterprise making an appearance came to be and work was to start right away," Eaves explained (with some of the grammar modified for readability).

"The task started with the guideline that the Enterprise for Discovery had to be 25% different, otherwise production would have most likely been able to use the original design from the 60's. But that couldn't happen so we took Jefferies' original concepts and with great care tried to be as faithful as possible.

The reason that (the original look had to be different;

That guideline, apparently, came from legal, as Eaves went on to explain in a comment below the main post.

Both above quote from original 'gizmoto' article.

The article is not about anything other then the look and appearance of the Original Enterprise used in Discovery. It has nothing to do with the design, and or writing of the show.

An example of why it is important to read more then a headline ... headlines can be (and often deliberately misleading.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Star trek used to be about exploring new worlds with a sprinkling of social commentary.

Not it's all social commentary with a sprinkling of well nothing I guess...

LOL - it was social commentary (and criticism) with a sprinkling of exploration.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
It's the difference between putting a sign on the road people can see, but is not distracting, and flashing strobe light billboards as far as the eye can see.

His message was pretty overt to me, the future he envisioned is a socialist utopia.

I've been a fan of Star Trek for the last 35 years (I'm 40 now). First watching TOS reruns with my dad through a few episodes of the new series on CBS all access.

To me Star Trek was enjoyable because of the character development and interactions. It's exploration into human nature, the human condition and internal conflicts. The main story lines where not always the best, but some are the best television out there.

It is when the producers try to elevate action over drama that the show or movie starts to become less appealing. Star Trek takes place in the future, with star ships, phasers and wormholes, so action is always a requirement but it can not be the driving force behind star trek; there are just to many action based franchises out there that have more legitimacy in that theme. Star Trek is a drama; the best parts can take place almost anywhere and anytime, they just so happen to take place in space but it's not the main point.

The current set of reboot movies for example are great cinematic productions. Chris Pines and the rest of the cast do an excellent job in recapturing the essence of their characters while still making them fresh and new. But the movies themselves do nothing to move the star trek story forward. There is not one item in them that will endure the test of time; once this decade is over they will be forgotten.

Compare that to Kirk saying "They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away. I need my pain." or simply yelling the name "Khan".

originally posted by: EternalSolace
The latest Star Trek television revivals have been garbage.
Complete and utter garbage. This cannot be argued in the face of absolute fact!

Star Trek TOS: 4 seasons.
Star Trek TNG: 7 seasons.
Star Trek DSN: 7 seasons.
Star Trek VOY: 7 seasons.
Star Trek DIS : 2 seasons.


Original series spawned 6 movies
TNG spawned 4 Movies

JJ Abrams just needs to screw off because he ruined Star Trek films....

(Personal Opinion.)

I've not mentioned the new series that's supposedly in development with a reprisal from Patrick Stewart. However, I will suspect it will be as much as a failure as everything since Voyager.


Are today's film and studio creators so afraid current gen fears from arm chair socialists and arm chair SJW's, that they cannot continue in the path that Star Trek was meant to go?

I've been a Trekkie since the 70's.

The 2009 ST movie and everything since, is complete trash. Discovery is the worst. The only thing that made season 2 tolerable was Pike. How many times can the "Strong female lead" Burnam cry per episode? If you started a drinking game on that, you'd be drunk by halfway through the episode.

Picard looks to be terrible as well.

I miss Star Trek. I really do. The hopeful look at the future, the camaraderie, everything.

a reply to: EternalSolace

However, the episodes and actors are complete garbage.

Just watched the Discovery first few episodes, since I'm a long time Trekkie. I facepalmed instantly. The main female role is, in spirit of the times, an ass kicking name taking super mixed race black woman...named with a man's name Michael. Cant begin to count the number of SJW agendas crammed into that one character. Then there is short but memorable gay love affair between the black gay doctor squeezing nuts with the albino white chief engineer.

Thank heavens...space is still black..mostly.

a reply to: EternalSolace

You might want to check the news over the last 12 months

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I do not recall government ownership of everything, and that is most certainly not the message of episodes, it's a background idea, of something that is nice to imagine and everyone knows is a fantasy.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
I do not recall government ownership of everything...

Socialism isn't government ownership of everything, that's Communism.