Will Star Trek ever return to the formula that made it one of a kind?

The latest Star Trek television revivals have been garbage.
Complete and utter garbage. This cannot be argued in the face of absolute fact!

Star Trek TOS: 4 seasons.
Star Trek TNG: 7 seasons.
Star Trek DSN: 7 seasons.
Star Trek VOY: 7 seasons.
Star Trek DIS : 2 seasons.


Original series spawned 6 movies
TNG spawned 4 Movies

JJ Abrams just needs to screw off because he ruined Star Trek films....

(Personal Opinion.)

I've not mentioned the new series that's supposedly in development with a reprisal from Patrick Stewart. However, I will suspect it will be as much as a failure as everything since Voyager.


Are today's film and studio creators so afraid current gen fears from arm chair socialists and arm chair SJW's, that they cannot continue in the path that Star Trek was meant to go?

a reply to: EternalSolace

Discovery is garbage for a reason, due to licensing they can only make it 25% "startrek" many things must be different/changed so it has nothing to do with SJW/PC etc.

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a reply to: EternalSolace

JJ finished off what Rick Berman started after Roddenberry died. Trek has been in steady decline ever since.

The change becomes quite apparent during the TNG/DS9 overlap, which both suffered by Berman's greedy ass trying to cash in on two shows at once.

Once the man with the vision died it became a vapid special effects s# show. TNG movies were all terrible and the reboot ones are even worse.

But don't look for a return to what made it great. Studios aren't interested in that.

originally posted by: E92M3
a reply to: EternalSolace

Discovery is garbage for a reason, due to licensing they can only make it 25% "startrek" many things must be different/changed so it has nothing to do with SJW/PC etc.

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Point conceded. It might not have anything to do with SJW/PC agenda.

However, the episodes and actors are complete garbage.

a reply to: EternalSolace

You left out the Enterprise series with Scott Bakula. It had its moments but is mostly skippable. Even Voyager got annoying at times for me.

I treasure Star Trek but can't say I've been interested in the new series following the lukewarm reboot movies. I can imagine it's like Enterprise but more 'edgy.'

You're asking if it will ever be as good as TNG and DS9. The answer is no.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: EternalSolace

You left out the Enterprise series with Scott Bakula. It had its moments but is mostly skippable. Even Voyager got annoying at times for me.

I treasure Star Trek but can't say I've been interested in the new series following the lukewarm reboot movies. I can imagine it's like Enterprise but more 'edgy.'

You're asking if it will ever be as good as TNG and DS9. The answer is no.

You're completely right, I did forget Enterprise. Not that its really that surprising as it's just that... forgettable.

Star Trek: Enterprise 4 Seasons

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

The Enterprise theme song is terrible. TNG hands down the best of the bunch all around. There's a TNG pinball machine I've been playing down the street. And it's the best. Put a few hundo in it so far trying to beat some a hole I've never met. Im not the best.

Actually, all the TNG movies were pretty much crap except for the first two. The last one was just OK. It had potential but it just felt half-baked. There were countless TNG episodes that were better than all of the TNG movies after First Contact put together. Yesterday's Enterprise is worth more on it's own than everything after FC. It was a damn shame but they completely wasted the potential of TNG for the movies.

I think Trek is done and it's probably better left alone at this point.

They basically worked a miracle with TNG and almost topped it with DS9. But there were just things about DS9 that were not TNG level Trek to me. There were some damn good episodes and many of the characters were fascinating and brilliant. Some of them (like Dukat or Garak) were probably the most fully developed and realistic characters in all Trek history. In that way, DS9 surpassed TNG. But for it's ability to bounce around and cover different types of things and just have lovable characters with smooth writing, TNG was the best, IMO.

Voyager was OK. Had some good stuff. But it was nowhere near the quality of DS9 or TNG.

Hey... Enterprise actually isn't as bad as people make out. (Although the theme song is possibly the worst of any tv show ever in the history of now and including the next 100 years...)

Enterprise had a great theme-arc and an early look at heading off into the galaxy with the Vulcans there to do their best to hold them back. That was a unique look at what trek could be. It also had pretty awesome set design, best of all the series I think. And pretty darn good special effects! Also, Dr Phlox was a stand out, as was T'Pol - her acting of a Vulcan struggling with emotions was actually right up there.


Anyway, I've been enjoying The Orville as a replacement for that getting out there on a mission of discovery type feeling. Hoping they make a few more adjustments on the show, but it's more Star Trek that Star Trek is these days.

a reply to: EternalSolace

The Orville beat them to it.

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a reply to: scraedtosleep

I was just about to recommend this, a bunch of star trek alumni (cast and crew) are involved in the production of it.

It does a really good job of capturing the magic of tos and tng for me.

Nope.
Identity politics has ruined it.

Just like it has ruined dr who and Star Wars.

Marvel is next.... Just watch..

Yeah social justice warrior snip has been ingrained in the series, but it also began that way.

Star trek was always full of cognitive dissonance so what should it change direction now?

a reply to: EternalSolace

Point conceded. It might not have anything to do with SJW/PC agenda.

1. The doctor was a drama queen.
2. Klingon trapped in an earthlings bodies that had species reassignment surgery.

Don't concede snip.

a reply to: EternalSolace

Netflix original series follow a really good formula.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Resulting is some hits and misses for sure.

a reply to: EternalSolace

TOS is like listening to Beatles music. I just can't watch it anymore.

And for some strange reason TNG, DSN, and VOY and lost my interest.

I'm not going to get CBS crap just to watch DIS.

For some reason, of all the different series, I still like Star Trek Enterprise. I've binge watch both seasons twice now over the last few years.

In terms of the films, I thought Star Trek Into the Darkness was for me the best Star Trek movie all-time. Just great visuals and story line. Of course, I'm sure hard core fans would pick The Motion Picture or something.

I would like to see a new series of Star Trek that is less episode driven and more like GOT in terms of power politics. But unlike GOT, the series could deal with important morality issues around technology like The Orville writes about. Maybe something like Colony or Travelers on Netflix.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: dfnj2015

Resulting is some hits and misses for sure.

I've binge watch several now. Some lose my interest. But I'm generally happy with Netflix sci-fi series. Colony, Travelers, 100, have been great! I even like Society but that one is a little like teen-age soap opera stuff. I started liking IO but I lost interest.

a reply to: dfnj2015

IO bored me too.
Umbrella society lost me about half way through.
I couldn't stand watching ellen pages receding hair line any longer.

They do have some damn fine originals.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: dfnj2015

IO bored me too.
Umbrella society lost me about half way through.
I couldn't stand watching ellen pages receding hair line any longer.

They do have some damn fine originals.

I made it to the end of Umbrella. It was just okay for me.

All-time I think I like Fire Fox as one of my favorites. I"m due to binge watch that one again. Also, have you ever watched Red Drawf? I know it's comedy but at the same time they have some really good sci-fi topics in the episodes.