federal election ‘Australians are dumb’: Celebs’ fury at Scott Morrison federal election win

a reply to: Kryties

I make no judgments on that.

The US and Canada are close too. I'm just noting the similarities in rhetoric is all.

"OMG! We lost. Those idiots! I guess I'll have to move to New Zealand ..." It sounds an awful lot like the stuff we hear over here.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Kryties

I make no judgments on that.

The US and Canada are close too. I'm just noting the similarities in rhetoric is all.

"OMG! We lost. Those idiots! I guess I'll have to move to New Zealand ..." It sounds an awful lot like the stuff we hear over here.

I wasn't thinking you were judging anything, I just thought you'd be interested in the history of our two countries and why you would hear Aussies saying that.

Also, yeah you are correct about your "Big Oil" being our "Big Coal" but there is a lot more to it than that. I won't bore you with the details.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

The left: Everyone who disagrees with us are literally evil, demonic hitlers!

Everyone else: Clearly we arent going to vote for your ideology.

The left:


Its interesting how modern technology has changed our interactions and perceptions over these things.

We dont deal particularly well in terms of scale. 10,000 people can have a massive online presence, especially if they are organized and bolstered by outrage media and carefully cultivated echo chambers like twitter. The addiction to the dopamine rush inherent to the process and design show very, very clear results in the medians of the "left" and "right." The right has remained mostly stable, while the left keeps shifting further and further into their own little world.

It also creates a perception where a forum with balanced views will actually appear as heavily biased towards the opposition. If an individual, or group, are used to seeing a certain demographic dominate, it will become normalized to the extent that any semblance of balance will seem extreme. Since they will view the median of their own social group as "centrist."

But, when it comes to "real life," like elections, we start to see a better representation of reality. Especially as the normalization of the median shift of the left becomes more extreme.

As long as we can keep moving in this direction worldwide without emboldening the actual extreme right, we should come out of this relatively well and hopefully learn an important lesson in the process.

So you lost an election; big deal isn't been happening since the birth of democracy; someone always loses; you and your opinions aren't that special. Dust your self off and try to do better next time. Crying about the resultes, alienating your neighbors by calling then names is both immature and more importantly counter productive in the pursuit to win over more minds in the next election.

Are these extreme hard feelings just the sign of the times we live in? Are we becoming hyper selfish to the point that we can't loss gracefully anymore? Can't work toward the betterment of society because we cant look our competition in the eyes and say "congradulations; see ya next time". We lost, so we need to burn the whole thing to the ground in the hope that doing so will make us feel a little better about ourselves?

With the several major political upsets over the years the cynic in me is saying it can't all be a coincidence; these pollsters who called it as a landslide in the other direction can't all have simply made a mistake. If the goal is to seed political unrest in western countries; someone has been doing a good job at deviding us. What better way to mobilize the anger of a tribe of people than to build up their confidence that they are going to be victorious only to pull the rug out from under them in the last second?

I'd be more worried about possible playing right into these peoples hands than my neighbors who just so happened to vote differently than I did.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I think we'll be waiting a while...

You had to wait a whole half hour. You poor thing, how will you survive?

Funnily enough I don't sit on ATS refreshing the screen every 5 seconds waiting for your replies - as you clearly do.

Huh?

a reply to: Kryties

Anyway, hope you learnt something! 

I have learned that you are a firecracker! 🔥

Awesome diligence brah. 😎

originally posted by: DanDanDat
Are these extreme hard feelings just the sign of the times we live in? Are we becoming hyper selfish to the point that we can't loss gracefully anymore? Can't work toward the betterment of society because we cant look our competition in the eyes and say "congradulations; see ya next time". We lost, so we need to burn the whole thing to the ground in the hope that doing so will make us feel a little better about ourselves?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

May leftist liberal ideologies rot in hell because they are certainly unacceptable to normal people the world over.

Case-in-point: Australia rejects leftist political propaganda, elects conservative government, leftist Australian media immediately attack all Australians who voted for Morrison as backwards rednecks.

Sound familiar?

F**k globalism and f**k globalists.

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: timequake
a reply to: Kryties

This is what hopenotfeariswhatweneed was responding to with that comment.

just like all those Hollywood clowns that were going to leave should Trump have been elected.

That is what and who I was responding to

Cool, but that wasn't in your post. I was responding to what you quoted, and that wasn't in it.

No worries though, just saying.

It was actually in the post I was directly responding to.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

How is an Australian "journalist" a Hollywood clown? Oh my god...she's a dual citizen!

Journalism has been relegated to opinion pieces all over the globe, hell the other day I heard a FOX affiliate talk about the left candidacy and he said and I quote verbatim "it's a marathon, not a sport."

It's a marathon not a sport-i'll let you soak that one in for a moment.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

LOL Aussies aren't dumb. The left and right are both minorities in this country and it is the Centrist hold the power to decide the nations direction.

When you have two parties (Labor and the Greens), that openly advocate Marxism/Socialism, doubling the amount of money given to other nations instead of helping their own impoverished people, opening borders and tripling immigration, openly indoctrinating young children with gender politics, banning free speech and sanctioning Christians... And all of that as their campaign promises, with very little to say about real issues...

Where the hell did they thing the Centrists would place their votes..!?!

The dumb ones are the ones who sabotaged their own election campaigns with insane rhetoric and ignored the real issues (ie, the Left)..!! lol

The left lost because most sensible Australians know how dangerous they have become.

Even now, post election, the left is showing how we have dodged a bullet by committing acts of violence against conservatives. Two stabbings and a One Nation truck fire bombed, all within hours of the results coming in.

Social media is swarming with people calling for violence against the winning parties, all in the name of "tolerance"..LOL

a reply to: Sublimecraft
Yes,this is not benign. Same battle in Canada. F** k globalism and F**k globalists

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: timequake

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Really, so all of us that think this current state of affairs is #ing us up the ass should just leave... OK then.

I have another solution, all of of you happy copping up the ass can keep doing so, just enjoy it and stop expecting the rest of us to bend over and join you.....

Genuinly currious... What aspect of the current state of affairs are have negatively impact your life as a result of the current administration?

*Priced out of the housing market
*Electricity prices through the roof
*No water due to mismanagement of the Murray-Darling
*Cost-of-living unaffordable for the majority
*Climate change turning Australia into an oven
*The Nanny-state

So these are the things that bother you yet you voted on, I'll just guess here, a Labor/Greens ticket? Other than the climate change bit (Australia has always been an oven) that's some serious cognitive dissonance you've got going there.

You're worried about electricity prices yet support the party that wanted 50% renewables by 2030? South Australia currently has 40% renewables and has the most expensive electricity not just in Australia but the world!

www.news.com.au...

The other funny thing is to fix all of these things would require, you guessed it, a Nanny State on a huge scale.

And before you say it I am an Aussie, and I voted LNP

a reply to: chr0naut

It's nice, but it would probably get rather crowded and not so nice if too many people tried it all at once. 

What are you? Racist? Anyone who can get to New Zealand by raft or plane has a human right to Kiwi government handouts. We just want better lives for ourselves, and the scenery and climate is wonderful.

originally posted by: TheAiIsLying

So these are the things that bother you yet you voted on, I'll just guess here, a Labor/Greens ticket? Other than the climate change bit (Australia has always been an oven) that's some serious cognitive dissonance you've got going there.

You're worried about electricity prices yet support the party that wanted 50% renewables by 2030? South Australia currently has 40% renewables and has the most expensive electricity not just in Australia but the world!

Just because you don't do your research doesn't mean others haven't. Renewables have been CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN to now be cheaper than coal.

The reason power prices are so high is a combination of privatisation of the poles and wires (thanks LNP), and the export of the majority of our natural gas to other countries making it expensive here. 5 minutes of simple research on Google will confirm all of this - yet you seem content to go with what you want to believe - which is the dictionary definition of 'cognitive dissonance'.

And before you say it I am an Aussie, and I voted LNP

So you voted for the party that ran a fear and scare campaign, offered ZERO new policies and was caught out lying on several occasions.

You'll have to excuse me for actually wanting a government in power that GOVERNS the country rather than just cause more divisiveness, chaos and the setting of Australians against each other.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: chr0naut

It's nice, but it would probably get rather crowded and not so nice if too many people tried it all at once. 

What are you? Racist? Anyone who can get to New Zealand by raft or plane has a human right to Kiwi government handouts. We just want better lives for ourselves, and the scenery and climate is wonderful.

That's the best post RR.



kind regards,

bally

originally posted by: Kryties

originally posted by: TheAiIsLying

So these are the things that bother you yet you voted on, I'll just guess here, a Labor/Greens ticket? Other than the climate change bit (Australia has always been an oven) that's some serious cognitive dissonance you've got going there.

You're worried about electricity prices yet support the party that wanted 50% renewables by 2030? South Australia currently has 40% renewables and has the most expensive electricity not just in Australia but the world!

Just because you don't do your research doesn't mean others haven't. Renewables have been CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN to now be cheaper than coal.

The reason power prices are so high is a combination of privatisation of the poles and wires (thanks LNP), and the export of the majority of our natural gas to other countries making it expensive here. 5 minutes of simple research on Google will confirm all of this - yet you seem content to go with what you want to believe - which is the dictionary definition of 'cognitive dissonance'.

And before you say it I am an Aussie, and I voted LNP

So you voted for the party that ran a fear and scare campaign, offered ZERO new policies and was caught out lying on several occasions.

You'll have to excuse me for actually wanting a government in power that GOVERNS the country rather than just cause more divisiveness, chaos and the setting of Australians against each other.

Your "research" appears to be Googling, clicking on the first link and leaving it there. Seriously, your argument against Adani was to us the Stop Adani website? LOL! Oh, I did read about the concerns with the Artesian Basin but contamination wasn't one of them. It was that the mine would use too much water from it. What would they contaminate it with anyway? The coal that's already in the ground?

As for renewables, well I guess I'll just believe you instead of my lying power bill. Germany, California and Denmark also seem to be lying. Here's an article that should explain it for you. It's Forbes, not GetUp so you probably won't believe it either.

www.forbes.com... bb01dc6

In short, renewables are unreliable and intermittent. They also wreak havoc on the grid which has to be hardened to take the fluctuations. On top of that they need a backup supply built to feed in when the wind isn't blowing, or blowing too hard for wind, and night time and overcast days for the solar. The only "green" alternative in this country is gas. It's more expensive due to plain old supply and demand.

I'd prefer light water nuclear reactors an then later thorium reactors to use up the waste. We could even charge other countries to give us their waste. And yes, I'm serious.

Well that didn't take long. Hope LNP voters are proud of themselves:

From: smh.com.au...

Morrison win sparks sharp lift in wholesale electricity prices

Wholesale electricity prices shot up on Monday after the Coalition's surprise election sparked renewed speculation the government would push on with its "big stick' energy policies.

The wholesale electricity price is what generators charge retailers and it accounts for about a third of household power bills, and even more for industrial energy users.

The expected future wholesale price rose 8 per cent for NSW and shot up about 7 per cent for Victoria on Monday.

"The uncertainty around the Coalition’s energy policy is undoubtedly the driver of this price spike," University of Melbourne energy expert Dylan McConnell said.

Thought this was worth posting:

From: theqlder.com...

On The Triumph of Fear, Loathing and Selfishness

The Coalition’s victory tonight was wholly unexpected. Scott Morrison’s unwelcome surprise success will no doubt be dissected ad nauseum by the media commentariat in the coming weeks. I propose we start this torrid business as soon as possible. This piece will attempt to do so by considering the archetypal Liberal voter from an anthropological perspective.

There’s a certain kind of mediocre, thoughtless, brain-dead middle-class Australian voter that consistently holds our nation back. They live in a heavily mortgaged McMansion out in the suburbs in a world of urban sprawl. This voter has a very limited grasp of our constitutional system and is thus easily swayed by undue attempts to turn elections to our House of Representatives into presidential style campaigns. This voter is profoundly selfish, willing to # almost anything and everything – the environment, the poor, the voiceless, etc – in return for tax cuts for their bosses. Hoping as hyenas do to be able to feast on the scraps of the main course meal, they are willing to trade their vote to the boss class in the hope that some crumb of the wealth of the mining magnates and economic rentiers that rule our country will eventually trickle down to them. In a way, this voter is really quite pathetic. We can have sympathy for them as we have sympathy for non-playable characters in video games, doomed to forever repeat the same scripted stock lines unto death. It probably is quite hard making it through life without any kind of internal dialogue or capacity for critical self-reflection. But the selfishness and hatred of this voter has very real consequences for the rest of us, and so they are a justified target for our criticism and contempt.

Scott Morrison is the masturbatory fantasy of this mediocre, middling voter. He can’t be accused of intellectual snobbery – with a “Fair Dinkum” campaign based on such uninspiring, nonsensical platitudes as “It is my vision for this country as your Prime Minister to keep the Promise of Australia to all Australians,” he speaks right to the low level of these people. As a former ad man and snake oil salesman that struck it rich working in an industry as fundamentally unproductive as public relations, he symbolizes all that the mediocre middle-class craves – success within a managed world of greed, hedonism and overconsumption that has no relationship to the actual needs of real human beings. The mediocre middle-class voter recognizes the fact that we live in a dystopia – they just think it is rather quite bearable. Taking the kids to soccer games on the weekend in their gas guzzling SUV fuelled by endless wars in the Middle East, going to the shopping centre to support the consumer economy, engaging in missionary sex in the dark for three minutes a week – this is enough for the middle-class mediocre voter. And consequently, Scott Morrison and the Liberal Party are enough.

The middle-class mediocre voter does not want to rock the boat. Shifty Bill Shorten seems unlikable for some vague reason they can’t quite articulate. When they watch Married At First Sight, or some other similarly vapid, coma-inducing reality television show, the focus-grouped attack commercials that are run during ad breaks show unflattering images of Bill Shorten and say things like: “Bill Shorten, the Bill Australia cannot afford.” They nod sagely to themselves and make a note that Bill Shorten is a bill that Australia (read: their bosses) cannot afford. Later, they see an advertisement on Facebook which mentions something about a tax increase. This immediately triggers in them deeply ingrained evolutionary responses. Just as silverback gorillas will fight to the death over the status conferred by control of resources such as coconuts within the group, the mediocre middle-class voter will fight to the death to defend their relative position in society in relation to the poor and vulnerable. Any increase to their absolute position must be resisted in order to preserve what middling social prestige the mediocre suburban voter enjoys in a society dominated by an aristocratic few. If a couple homeless people have to die sleeping rough on the streets this winter in order to preserve the family’s annual trips to Thredbo, so be it. The middle-class mediocre voter has no notion of the common good. Any abuse, however extreme, is justified in the name of lower taxes.

Through this all, we continue our inexorable march toward a feudal, slave-like future. We continue our long, solemn march towards a hellish climate apocalypse. As the clock runs down on our ability to right these wrongs, to halt rising inequality and ruinous global warming, we sleepwalk into a world of chaos, death and destruction. The mediocre middle-class voter doesn’t mind this, so long as the next couple years entail more of the same. That’s what Scott Morrison offered them. They signed up to this destructive Faustian pact. Shame on them. Australia’s future looks bleak.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
a reply to: chr0naut

It's nice, but it would probably get rather crowded and not so nice if too many people tried it all at once. 

What are you? Racist? Anyone who can get to New Zealand by raft or plane has a human right to Kiwi government handouts. We just want better lives for ourselves, and the scenery and climate is wonderful.

I'm Australian, they are Australian. Try again.



Aussies can fly in, like New Zealander's can fly out, if they are well behaved. No visa's required.

After a small but reasonable stand-off period, you could even get unemployment supplement. But it's far more lucrative to get a job. Lands of opportunity and all that.

I wouldn't recommend rafting, though. 4,000+ kilometers takes an awful long time at a few km/h.