A look at how Bob Lazar interviews match up with Pentagon's admission of studying UFOs

I am going to meet him tomarrow, see his new film. Was trying to think of some questions i could ask him, cant really come up with anything. Any ideas.

The 15 minute Q and A didn't really shed much light on the topic, we've already read about Lazar saying the the same thing. At least a nice intermission from work!

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: COLLECTOR1

50 years ago was the 70’s.. we are definitely ahead of them, but light years?!!

Idk..

Then you clearly gave it zero actual thought. There werent even home computers/desktop PC's in the 70's. Now we have significant computing power in every tiny little gadget, internet, VR, numerous medical advances, etc etc.. Our technology has improved at an exponential rate since the 70's.

One thing i did learn yesterday after hearing him talk was that the ufo he worked on was really old, like from an archeology dig and it was buried 10k years ago (according to the docs he read that were in his briefing) i also got a pick with him yesterday, saw him on the corner standing there and got a pick with him, he took a selfie of me and him for his own camera too

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: vlawde

The American conspiracy community is divided on bob lazar between two factions.. those who think bob lazar is a total fraud..and the people who will believe anything...

So, are you saying everyone falls into these two groups? There is no inbetween?

a reply to: saltlick

He said that was in the documents? Interesting, hasn’t he always said there was nothing about the origin in his briefing? (I thought the archaeology tidbit was just his new speculation, to liven things up lol Corbell broughtvit up during the promo rounds)

I don't fully buy everything Lazar says but I leave it open to the possibility that he is "mostly correct".
Let me qualify that.

Its entirely possible that Lazar told us the truth as he was presented it, however that "truth" may be a manufactured truth. He may very well have been selected by the government because his background was so difficult to document. Something like this guy answers an ad in the paper for a job and inflates his resume a bit. The hiring lab looks into him and sees he has inflated his resume. This is WHY he is selected to be used to leak a crafted narrative about Alien craft and technology in order to plant that meme. They assume that they can show him information that they want to leak out and he will more than likely leak it out. If he does not and keeps his mouth shut, then they know they can potentially use him for actual work. Al the while he is working on a cover project that is not real or at least not completely true.

Besides that Lazar really had a terrible understanding of gravity and physics in his explanations of the tech it doesn't match up with the DOD program at all. So the DOD or military has flying saucers and all they do is fund a small program with a few people and a tiny budget? Then they discontinue the program? And the footage they release is a fuzzy tic-tac?
Instead of just showing footage of an actual flying saucer? That they have in possession?

It makes no sense at all. This program and footage shows the government has little knowledge and that they were not getting anywhere with the program.
Doesn't the fact that they canceled the research program say anything? And that a DOD guy who worked on an actual ufo research project has ZERO knowledge of anything except crummy jet camera footage and stories about sightings.

No Area 51 or alien tech or Roswell stories from an insider who has gone public? If the Pentagons admission is legit then there is no Lazar spaceship and all the mythology that goes along with it.

originally posted by: joelr
Besides that Lazar really had a terrible understanding of gravity and physics in his explanations of the tech it doesn't match up with the DOD program at all. So the DOD or military has flying saucers and all they do is fund a small program with a few people and a tiny budget? Then they discontinue the program? And the footage they release is a fuzzy tic-tac?
Instead of just showing footage of an actual flying saucer? That they have in possession?

It makes no sense at all. This program and footage shows the government has little knowledge and that they were not getting anywhere with the program.
Doesn't the fact that they canceled the research program say anything? And that a DOD guy who worked on an actual ufo research project has ZERO knowledge of anything except crummy jet camera footage and stories about sightings.

No Area 51 or alien tech or Roswell stories from an insider who has gone public? If the Pentagons admission is legit then there is no Lazar spaceship and all the mythology that goes along with it.

Your post makes no sense at all. Let's just say Lazar is telling the truth. What makes you thinking this would fall under the same militery project as the one they officially came out with a little while ago? Seriously, your statement does not make sense.

As for lazars "terrible understanding of gravity and physics" he understood both very well, as has been shown many times.

So, let me ask you. Why did lazar lie about his time in area 51, and the crafts he saw?

Why did Lazar lie - who knows.

I don't think he did for the majority but rather embellished the tale, as he embellished his education history and qualifications.

That leaves two questions - what parts were embellishments (seeing the ebe maybe) and was he engaged on a real programme or a psy ops scenario (and if so to what end).

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: joelr
Besides that Lazar really had a terrible understanding of gravity and physics in his explanations of the tech it doesn't match up with the DOD

It makes no sense at all. This program and footage shows the government has little knowledge and that they were not getting anywhere with the program.
Doesn't the fact that they canceled the research program say anything? And that a DOD guy who worked on an actual ufo research project has ZERO knowledge of anything except crummy jet camera footage and stories about sightings.

No Area 51 or alien tech or Roswell stories from an insider who has gone public? If the Pentagons admission is legit then there is no Lazar spaceship and all the mythology that goes along with it.

Your post makes no sense at all. Let's just say Lazar is telling the truth. What makes you thinking this would fall under the same militery project as the one they officially came out with a little while ago? Seriously, your statement does not make sense.

As for lazars "terrible understanding of gravity and physics" he understood both very well, as has been shown many times.

So, let me ask you. Why did lazar lie about his time in area 51, and the crafts he saw?

So Lazar's story is true and this DOD guy only seems to know of vague videos and a small defunct program? Seems like there would be a massive program, even an entire branch of the military if we had an actual alien ship and knowledge of aliens for real?


Lazar's physics was terrible, why would you say it wasn't?

He was supposed to be a physicist but his talks on physics were complete layman talks.
He did not explain the gravity wave engine at all. All he said was there is a gravity A and gravity B.
He went on to describe gravity B as what we call "the strong force" which is completely ridiculous.

He also said element 115 causes a "warp in space-time". It does not. This video claims element 115 is stable. It decays in 1 millionth of a second into a lighter element.


In this video he says"the effect of a gravitation field on space-time is something we have been able to observe...." he keeps saying over and over "the effects of a gravitational field on space-time…"
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NO PHYSICIST WOULD EVER SAY THIS!!!!! Gravity IS a distortion of space-time. That is what general relativity is. Physicists NEVER say a gravitational field and space-time are separate. They would never even imply this.

His explanation:

"There are 2 main theories, the wave theory that states that gravity is a wave and the currently accepted theory of gravitons which are alleged subatomic particles that perform as gravity, which is total nonsense.
Well gravity is a wave and there are 2 specific types of gravity, gravity A and gravity B."

"Gravity A works on a micro scale."

"Gravity B is is our familiar gravity.
We are not familiar with gravity A. It is the small gravity wave which is the major contributory force that holds together the mass that makes up all protons and neutrons. Gravity A is currently called the strong nuclear force in mainstream physics.
Gravity A is the wave you need to access and amplify to cause space-time distortion for interstellar travel.
Gravity A works on an atomic scale and gravity B works on a planetary level."


"Heavier stable elements do exist. These elements have a larger gravity A wave.
Element 114-115 are stable and is the power source used as fuel.
Element 115 sits stable in the reactor and it is converted into 116 which decays instantly."



This is not true, 115 is not stable. The only reason he even tried to predict this is because in the 1960s a scientist had predicted a possible "island of stability" somewhere from element 112 to 188. It was just a hypothesis
(The possibility of an "island of stability" was first proposed by Glenn T. Seaborg in the late 1960s.)

No physicist would say the theory of gravitons is "nonsense" because we don't know.
He's trying to say this short range gravity A somehow extends far beyond the particles when you get to element 115.
There are so many things wrong with this idea that it's hard to know where to start.

And wave/particle duality is part of all objects in quantum physics, you don't just pick "wave" and say the particle aspect is "nonsense"?? The particle aspect is a localized bundle of the wave energy. Also he admitted his gravity is the strong force, well guess what, the SF HAS A PARTICLE CALLED A GLUON!? He was so wrong?

But we have made element 115, there is no mysterious super strong gravity extending beyond the particles.
Even if there were the strong force is so strong that the element would weigh billions of lbs.

But Lazar said it was stable. The longest isotope is .08 seconds? He said they use it for fuel and bombard it to make it 116, but how can it be used as fuel if it decays immediately.
He was lying!

He also said 115s gravity A (strong force) field extended out past the particles. Which would make it weigh millions of lbs, but that didn't happen. The strong force is never violated, it's always very short acting. He said gravity A IS the strong force.
But we know a lot about the strong force. It isn't a curvature of space-time at all?
It's just like light actually. The strong force gluons keep protons held together. It's similar to electromagnetism/photons, both are bosons or force carriers.

No relation to gravity. Our regular gravity DOES work at the subatomic scale it's just weak.
His story about the strong force being the aliens gravity A is so preposterious? It's so non-scientific and really bad fiction?

It's such a bummer that people who don't understand science hear this and think it could be true.

Give me 5 minutes with Lazar. I am confidant he can't answer some basic technical questions about gravitational physics.

This is just pure gibberish with just enough science terms to fool a layman.
Please do not fall for this, he's making a mockery of science and gravitational physics!


All someone has to do is ask Lazar a technical question about gravity/general relativity.
Get a textbook on GR and ask him a few questions.
His physics is AWFUL. He doesn't even realize physics 101 says a gravity field doesn't "effect space-time" it IS SPACETIME.
We have known this since 1926 and no gravitational physicist or any other would ever say something so layman about gravity.

He is polluting the UFO field. I wonder if this was done on purpose to make sure the general public associates ufos with kooks? And we will never get any kind of funding or be able to come forward with legitimate stories?

Keep backing Lazar and the ufo field will remain as credible as the big foot field.


As to why would he lie? How would I know?
There is a timeline online somewhere that goes over what Lazar was up to before he made these claims. Prostitution, arrests, then he made a "disclosure" video and shopped it to networks.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

I am on the fence on this one since forever but just some food for thought about the weaponization argument. Maybe it's not the problem of reverse engineering but of building materials that are unobtainable on Earth ? Who knows what you would need to build a high tech weapon, that was constructed on a different planet. Maybe the replacements that were used did not cut it and they hit a roadblock. Imagine for example, you need a certain element that is still unknown to us to focus the energy (or something ) and that element is not found on earth.

a reply to: Jay-morris

Something I think anyone discussing lazar is that his one testable claim to legitimacy is that he predicted a new element..


However he absolutely did not..

His element prediction was the equivalent of me saying “they will create a building taller than they ever have..”


The element also has zero of the properties he claimed..

Lazar was a very obvious fraud who trained himself to be a very good one..

He became the dividing line between “the woo woo” (lazar) ufo community and the serious scientific inquiry side (Stanton Friedman)..


At least that is my interpretation of UFO history

a reply to: Thill

I’m not sure base elements work like that.. I think it is just adding more protons, neutrons and electrons..
that is how scientists predict elements.. they add more particles.

That is how lazar “predicted” a new element.. he said “presently they have only confirmed an element with 42 protons.. I predict they will find one with 45!”


Lol

And that is considered his claim to fame

a reply to: JustJohnny

Well predicting something and being able to actually produce it, is way different in my opinion.

a reply to: joelr

Stop believing everything you read from an official government source. You really think the Pentagon's admission of a ufo programe means that this is the only programe they have had running on ufos, because they said so?

With the overwhelming evidence about ufos, to me it would be obvious that they would be running multiple programmes. Makes sense that they would use this admission as a way to make people think that this was the only ufo programe they were running.

As for Lazar and element 115. You say it's impossible to make it stable. Yes, for us, it is impossible at the moment, but no way does that mean it's impossible.

In 2004 i think it was,Dr Joshua Patin, one of the creators of the 115 isotope, announced that they were able to reproduce an isotope of 115 in a laboratory, and said that a stable isotope is possible. Because we do not have the means now, does not mean it's impossible.

a reply to: Archivalist

But small mistakes like that can cause many people to throw the story out completely.

a reply to: Thill

He didn’t even predict it..

He claimed that X element was used to power the craft and would be discovered later.. with X being the number of electrons in an element... that being a few more than the heaviest known element at the time..

The element was later created with cern, I think , and had none of the properties he predicted..



You know how hydrogen is 1 on the periodic table? It is one because it has one proton/electron..

All lazar did was predict element 127 ... when science was already on 125 and no one thought they were through at 125...

It is a no-prediction/prediction.

Plus again it had zero of the properties he predicted.

And that is his “most credible “ claim to fame lol..

originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: JustJohnny
a reply to: vlawde

The American conspiracy community is divided on bob lazar between two factions.. those who think bob lazar is a total fraud..and the people who will believe anything...

So, are you saying everyone falls into these two groups? There is no inbetween?

Anyone who pays attention to UFO conspiracy theories has an opinion on bob lazar..


The more Extraordinary of the community believes him..


The more Stanton Friedman side doesn’t.. and tend to look for more grounded evidence ..


I think that is kinda a fair discription of the two wings of the UFO community .

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: joelr

Stop believing everything you read from an official government source. You really think the Pentagon's admission of a ufo programe means that this is the only programe they have had running on ufos, because they said so?

It's obviously possible there are more programs but the DOD guy who worked on ufos should have some information.
It doesn't make much sense to have a gigantic secret program then a small one they cancelled? I don't think the gov knows much more than we do.

With the overwhelming evidence about ufos, to me it would be obvious that they would be running multiple programmes. Makes sense that they would use this admission as a way to make people think that this was the only ufo programe they were running.

Why would that be "making sense"? Why wouldn't the gov just keep the big main ufo program secret? Why all the charade and maneuvers? That seems to make less sense? They don't give 2 s#^$s about what the public thinks.
Not enough to go through all that hassle.

As for Lazar and element 115. You say it's impossible to make it stable. Yes, for us, it is impossible at the moment, but no way does that mean it's impossible.

In 2004 i think it was,Dr Joshua Patin, one of the creators of the 115 isotope, announced that they were able to reproduce an isotope of 115 in a laboratory, and said that a stable isotope is possible. Because we do not have the means now, does not mean it's impossible.

No,
"Moscovium (115Mc) is a synthetic element, and thus a standard atomic weight cannot be given. Like all synthetic elements, it has no stable isotopes. The first isotope to be synthesized was 288Mc in 2004. There are four known radioisotopes from 287Mc to 290Mc. The longest-lived isotope is 290Mc with a half-life of 0.8 seconds. "

Lazar said 115 was stable. He said this because in the 1960's an idea came about that there would be an "island of stability" around element 110-120. There wasn't. He also said the element created a "gravity A field that extended out beyond the particles and warped space-time". This is simply bad sic-fi. Why would adding some protons and electrons to an atom make it do fantastic sic-fi things that make no sense? It was just a story that sounded believable to non-physics literate people.

but beyond that I'm telling you as someone who understand the basics of gravitational physics Lazar had no idea what he was talking about. And his story also is an extention of Roswell which is obvious mythology.