Should you be able to claim an Alabama fetus on your taxes

My kid was born late December. I remember the nurses with their big smiles saying he came just in time for us to claim him for the whole
year on taxes.

Well well well, now let's look at Alabama. If they are going to change when a person, is a person, shouldn't parents get to claim them while in utero?

Can't have it both ways right?

There are some countries that declare you 1 year old when you are born. Maybe that is the route Alabama is going.

I don't live in Alabama, but I'd love to claim an Alabama fetus on my taxes.

What do I have to do? Send 50 cents a day? Call up Unicef? Pay to have the fetus shipped to a state where they can grow up and are legally allowed to have an abortion at their choice because the state doesn't want to be full dumbass bizarro draconian?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Only if the fetus gets a Social Security number.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JAGStorm

Only if the fetus gets a Social Security number.

Yes that is what I'm asking. Should a fetus get a ss#.....It is a person right?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JAGStorm

Only if the fetus gets a Social Security number.

That's a good idea. So if the mother takes the time to register her fetus with a SS number then it is actually a human? Wait, screw that, lets make it a mandatory requirement whenever a pregnancy test comes back positive. I bet the feds will love that. More people to tax for sure! No need to immigrate hundreds of thousands a year illegally. It's a win win.

Time to make it law!

Is the significance in tax implication due to this new wrinkle really worth discussing?

Especially as it compares to the costs of a child and potential tax revenue that may be generated/decreased because of the child?

If this is a sticking point the answer should be yes and move on.

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JAGStorm

Only if the fetus gets a Social Security number.

Yes that is what I'm asking. Should a fetus get a ss#.....It is a person right?

Not according to the US Constitution.

I wonder how the lawmakers in Alabama justify permitting abortion when the pregnancy puts the mother's life or health at risk. How does the well-being of the mother outweigh the well-being of the fetus? I thought the idea was to protect the "most vulnerable". A grown woman - or even an 11-year-old raped by her father - is definitely less vulnerable that a fetus. So shouldn't they forbid abortion even if carrying the baby to term kills the mother?

a reply to: DanDanDat

Is the significance in tax implication due to this new wrinkle really worth discussing?

Let's just say I'm neutral in the abortion discussion. Of course it is worthy of discussion, the legal implication are going to be going on for a long time.

There is a common story that I often hear.
When a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged with two counts. That fetus is considered a person.
These states that are following a heartbeat law.
That fetus is considered a separate person while in the womb. This is the whole debate. Are they or are they not a separate being with "rights".

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JAGStorm

Only if the fetus gets a Social Security number.

Yes that is what I'm asking. Should a fetus get a ss#.....It is a person right?

Not according to the US Constitution.

"No fetus shall get a social security number."

Which amendment was that again?

a reply to: JAGStorm

Exactly. As I brought up in another thread, this means that any child conceived on US soil is a US citizen.

Does that mean that any illegal immigrant that conceives on US soil can't be deported since it would also require reporting a legal US citizen?

originally posted by: BiffWellington

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: JAGStorm

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JAGStorm

Only if the fetus gets a Social Security number.

Yes that is what I'm asking. Should a fetus get a ss#.....It is a person right?

Not according to the US Constitution.

"No fetus shall get a social security number."

Which amendment was that again?

The 14th Amendment:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. "

Just for further clarification:
"A naturalized citizen is a person who was born an alien, but has lawfully become a citizen of the United States under the U.S. Constitution and laws."
definitions.uslegal.com...

a reply to: JAGStorm

The tax analogy is a terrible one.

Being able to claim someone on your taxes is based upon dependency and an age range...not person-hood alone. Otherwise, all of those thirty and forty somethings living in their parent's basement might confer an actual benefit to the parents.

Nice try.

a reply to: JAGStorm

What I am saying that its not that in important because it implicates a small amount of money. It would be easy for proponents to say "Yes, they should be deducted" and move on.

a reply to: loam

What about disability benefits? If a fetus is determined to have a fetal abnormality shouldn't the parents be able to apply for disability benefits for it?

If you can get your fetus a social security card, sure. That's when you are officially enrolled as a citizen. But just because your kid is not yet enrolled is no reason to kill him.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JAGStorm

Only if the fetus gets a Social Security number.

Maybe get some wrongful death fetusurance as well?

Cheers - Dave

nevermind, too ridiculous

a reply to: JAGStorm

There is a lot of money associated with being pregnant, I actually think you should be able to declare the child on your taxes pre-birth at a certain point.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Interesting, can you point me to where the Constitution discusses the topic?