I think we've done this before

Ok, I am a believer of a great flood happening in our past and it wiped out so much history that we will never know what actually happened. There are too many cultures around the world with a legendary tale that has been passed down from generation to generation.

I'm thinking first Denisovans, Neanderthals and then Humans became seafaring people many hundreds of thousands of years ago. If you think about it. Denisovans and Neanderthals are Humans too. They just look different, or maybe they looked like the average looking"Human" in their time?

We obviously mated with them. Some people still carry Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA to this day.

Different species cant mate with eachother.

Now let's say they were just as intelligent as we are today. I'm sure in the hundreds of thousands of years of existence, they became seafaring. Maybe they got to the equivalent of our 1400s? But were wiped out by a natural disaster or plague? Over time, paper will disintegrate, especially over hundreds of thousands of years.

Maybe, the reason we look the way we look today is because of natural adaptability to our current environment? I'm sure the atmosphere was different back then.

Just a thought.

a reply to: galaga

Yeah, who needs boats anyway. If the ocean levels were much lower before the great flood then people could have walked throughout places like Indonesia. Mu/Lemuria would have existed right along with Atlantis.

a reply to: galaga

I think it is commonly accepted today, that a comet, or asteroid impact (most likely a "fragmented" comet) struck the miles thick glacier from N America, through Greenland, and into northern Europe, causing massive amounts of meltwater to flow into the oceans of the northern hemisphere.

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a reply to: galaga

The Hopi call this age the 4th Sun, that being the 4th civilization since civilizations began. In the first Sun we were much more evolved and at the end of each age a destroyer comes. After which the new age begins. In each age we are less evolved than the previous age, moving from a perfect spiritualism and harmony with the environment towards lost spiritualism and total materialism. In effect, we are devolving.

It's an interesting premise, since history has been created in the imagination of the writers. We can't really know all that has gone before, but I would tend to trust an oral history passed down by the Hopi before I would believe anything passed down by the "victors."

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: spiritualarchitect

How does this premise hold up if it was the lands that fell into the oceans?

The water level rises/floods when you sink yourself into a tub of liquid, does it not?

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Hopies were not alone, the Hindu speak of the four Yugas, and the greek the Five Ages.

-MM

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I tend to agree regarding indigenous oral history ... and there is some evidence for higher civilizations in the past ...

but are the pop culture recounts of the histories accurate, or are they misreported attempts at cash cows for the UFO talk circuit and doom pornography?

I'm HOPIng for the latter.

Good ideas....

But the rapture is our face....with the false prophet in place....80 years old......he gets it in 7 6ears from the supposed rap5urel....

ISRAEL hasc5 more days in theirvyear 70.......

Idk

a reply to: Mach2

I think it is commonly accepted today...

You think wrong. You should read that article more carefully.

The source of this flood was apparently the glacial Lake Agassiz, located along the southern margin of the Laurentide Ice Sheet, which at its maximum 21,000 years ago was 6,500 to 9,800 feet (2,000 to 3,000 meters) thick and covered much of North America, from the Arctic Ocean south to Seattle and New York.

"The flood was likely caused by the sudden breaking of an ice dam," said researcher Alan Condron, a physical oceanographer at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst.

Nothing to do with an impact and not enough water to raise sea levels much (no sign of that happening) but enough fresh water to disrupt ocean circulation patterns, perhaps. Or not.
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a reply to: galaga

From what Science knows about Neanderthals so far , it would be a Serious Stretch to Imagine they were a Seafaring People . The Denisovans on the other hand could have been the First Humans to conceive of Ocean going Vessels .

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I also think we are a Post- Flood Civilization that is rediscovering itself.Have you ever heard of a Vlar Global Continental Displacement Wave ?. I think that describes causes and changes that leave flood like impacts globally.

originally posted by: ttobban
a reply to: spiritualarchitect

How does this premise hold up if it was the lands that fell into the oceans?

The water level rises/floods when you sink yourself into a tub of liquid, does it not?

the ice age held more water in the form of glaciers

as the glaciers melted, water levels rose
and the land fell underwater as a result

It’s entirely possible. Consider how fast we went from being pulled around by horses to going out into space and how quickly we could blow ourselves up and back into the Stone Age.

I too bet it has all happened before at some point.

originally posted by: one4all
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I also think we are a Post- Flood Civilization that is rediscovering itself.Have you ever heard of a Vlar Global Continental Displacement Wave ?. I think that describes causes and changes that leave flood like impacts globally.

Yes, I have heard of that but only because you keep posting about this made up non-existent thing.

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

Its not just the Hopi. Most old cultures from around the world share the same story. Infact it is our modern western history that is in the minority in this respect and in my opinion wrong.

a reply to: galaga

As it so happen's you are not alone in your belief, there is an infamous air strip known as either Yundum Air field or Banjul International Airport in Gambia often claimed to have been build during WW2 and definitely used back then but it would appear the air field or rather a strip of huge stone pavement block's is rather a lot older than that.
sidisanneh.blogspot.com...
NASA also had it set up as an alternative air strip for the Space Shuttle should it have been forced to land there.
For the modern International Air strip they only had to cover about 2/3rd's with a black top over the possibly ancient pre-extant structure.
This next video is a bit, how shall I say this - out there.
But it is worth watching anyway even if some of the claim's are a bit strange to the way we have been conditioned to see the world.

And who know's just maybe it's halfway right.

Always remember these word's of the bible.
biblia.com...

a reply to: LABTECH767

Will watch later. Thanks

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: galaga

As it so happen's you are not alone in your belief, there is an infamous air strip known as either Yundum Air field or Banjul International Airport in Gambia often claimed to have been build during WW2 and definitely used back then but it would appear the air field or rather a strip of huge stone pavement block's is rather a lot older than that.
sidisanneh.blogspot.com...

You don't find it at all odd that your own link tells us it was constructed during WWII then?
In any case, that's an uncommon claim. And, since I'm interested in claims, thanks for this one. I'd never seen it before.
It appears to have originated sometime this century, as the oldest reference to the claim I could find dates to 2011.
And, of course, no evidence backing it up (other than photos of stone slabs) is provided in any of the sources I found.
They all simply say it was common knowledge among the locals that the slabs had always been there.

I'd look more into it, but I don't believe it so why should I? I can't find anything else on Google.
Of course, if you were to provide more info, I'd certainly read it.

Harte

a reply to: Harte

Yup I do think that it is probably one of from this century and that first link is most likely the most accurate account.

Still why would they build an air field out of stone when they had concrete, of course I have seen air fields that have been built from prefabricated slabs so that could be one plausible solution BUT these slabs are HUGE have a look at it on google earth.

And why would they build it so very, very long making it one of the longest runway's in the world, the longest if we include the slabbed area that extends for perhaps another third the length of the commercial runway unless of course the surveyor made a mistake, was drunk or was absent and the builders just did there best to complete it not realizing that they had gone completely over kill.

Now as you know Archaeology being your field crop mark's and ground shadow's can sometimes be enlightening.
But as you know the city is ancient, many generations have worked the land, built and demolished there home's and business there, so most everything may be of explainable origin, still some areas appear to hint that these slab's may also be wider than the modern runway and there may be two strip's side by side there one completely buried and not used.
There are however a number of potential candidate areas for other strip's.
If for example you go to 13 degrees, 21 minutes and 7 second's north and 16 degrees, 39 minutes and 49 second's west you will see a dark area that may be another that stretches to 13 degrees, 21 minutes and 37 second's north and 16 degree's, 39 minutes and 31 second's west, this has the potential to be at least one secondary strip either disused or perhaps even buried.
Even if it is not ancient and it just may be then it remains' a site of vast importance due to the important role it may once have played in world changing affairs and so qualifies as an important 20th century archaeological site.
It even appears to have the same strange side structure we have on the main runway at 13 50 27 north 16 39 55 west which on this shadow runway appears at 13 21 31 north 16 39 33 west though on the shadow runway it appears to be heavily over grown and buried, it may simply be an area for planes to turn around but is a very odd shape compared to how we do them today.

Of course even if it is ancient it does not have to be an airfield, it could be some ancient megalithic monumental or even astronomically aligned ruin's that may have been reused and may point to an important but long lost west African culture having once existed in the region.

Or it could just be drunk surveyor's and very handy builders moving slabs of stone that seem too large for there small tractors and ww2 bulldozers to have ever moved to create a stone build runway?.

Take a look over here at Blighty and indeed much of Europe and North Africa, Roman period road's and even settlement's have been continuously reused over the century's while the far more primitive Celtic sites were mostly ignored, there is no reason that such pre-existent remains' may not have also be reused by the local's there which creates something of a conundrum, how can you tell the old from the new especially when many of the structures in a third world nation are not exactly modern or built as we would today.
It may be an impossible task to prove concisely one way or the other.

In more recent history this area fell under the control of several African empires that were highly advanced for there time.

And for comparison here are the remains' of an old concrete paved runway in the UK.
www.geograph.org.uk...
As you can see the slab's are large but no where near as large as those appear to be, of course closer inspection may show them to be actually several slabs tightly joined together and that would explain it if that was the case.

I would need to see some kind of reports of the construction that took place by the Allies during WWII, which may exist somewhere but is too obscure for easy availability.
Whoever wrote the article making the claim should have at least referenced that, instead of making the statement that the locals said it had always been there.
No locals were named, no quotes provided from them, etc.

That speaks volumes about the veracity of the claim and explains why I dismiss it.

Harte

ETA: BTW, my field is Mathematics, not Archaeology. I just have more than a passing interest in Archaeology.
My primary interest is in fringe claims about the ancient past, however, as I stated previously.

H.