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Does anyone know how the USA is rated?

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posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 06:44 PM
I have been looking for stats on where the USA is on the scale for human rights, citizen wealth, education, women rights, child rights, etc.. I can't find it and was hoping someone here might have it. I keep hearing things like we are #1 and it is painfully obvious we are not but I would like to know where exactly we are. TIA

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 06:46 PM
Just exactly how and why do you think it's obvious that we're not?

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 06:58 PM
In the #6 spot, just below Terra Australis.

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 06:58 PM
Have not really looked yet, but according to the Human Rights Commission, South Africa 'Surpasses U.S. On Human Rights'

More to be had here:
Human Rights Commission


posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 07:03 PM
Well take a look at health care, some countries provide free health care for all of its citizens here in the USA studies prove your chances for death is increased based on whether you have insurance or not. Its a fact, drs are not going to do expensive tests if you have no insurance, that is if you even manage to go to the doctor, a lot of people won't go or put it off until its too late due to knowing they can't afford a doctor. Also infant mortality rates here in this country is higher than in some others.
Education, some countries provide college including books free if anyone chooses to go. I know many people who can't afford to go. My daughter paid for her own college but currently owes over 12,000 for school loans that went straight into paying tuition, she also worked full time while attending college.
Women issues, health care have covered but which also includes child care, in some countries daycare is provided free and some daycare centers are even in the buildings where the parents are employed.
Military, England pays its military twice what ours receive, currently a lot of military families in this country are having to go to food banks to get groceries.
Enviormental issues, our lands and waters are becoming more and more polluted and I would like to know if other countries are ahead of us on this issue also.
Please understand I am not thrilled about this but we American's need to become more aware of where are at before we go screaming we are #1 and then start working toward that goal.

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 07:17 PM
Opps i just hit google to find that and it was a few years old, this is a newer one that seems more comprehensive and takes into account more of the things you mentioned than the other one.

[edit on 2-3-2005 by Trent]

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 07:35 PM
For education; these results are from UNICEF In 2002. I don't think there is more recent ones, at least I can't find them.

"It is based not on the conventional yardstick of how many students reach what level of education, but on testing what pupils actually know and what they are able to do."
- UNICEF report

UNICEF rankings of educational systems in the world's richest countries, indicating the percentage of 14 and 15 year olds scoring below a minimum level in literacy, math and science.

1. South Korea 1.4 percent
2. Japan 2.2
3. Finland 4.4
4. Canada 5
5. Australia 6.2
6. Austria 8.2
7. Britain 9.4
8. Ireland 10.2
9. Sweden 10.8
10. Czech Republic 12.2
- (tie) New Zealand 12.2
12. France 12.6
13. Switzerland 13
14. Belgium 14
- (tie) Iceland 14
16. Hungary 14.2
- (tie) Norway 14.2
18. United States 16.2
19. Germany 17
- (tie) Denmark 17
21. Spain 18.6
22. Italy 20.2
23. Greece 23.2
24. Portugal 23.6

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 08:00 PM
#6 worldwide, according to those stats sites.

Depends on where you live really, who you are, etc. But still, I love living here, its a great place.

Only other place I'd go is Southern Ireland =]


posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 08:04 PM
As in all such things, pick your stats to suit your propaganda purposes.

In a weighted average of things considered to be important by the individual trying to prove a point, you could rank the USA anywhere from #1 to #189 depending on the bias.

Vet your sources. Anything rating the USA #1 or #189 is highly unlikely to be based on "quality of life" variables.

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 10:48 PM
When it come to certain things it is more than just subjective, for instance infant mortality rates can be measured by numbers, health care can be measured by numbers as in how many people in a country has insurance or does not and how many has access to medical care. as well. Also education can be measured so one can get an actual idea. I agree though that quality of life as far as the whether one has a nuclear family and a supportive family can't be measured by numbers, because one can have all these things that make up a family unit and not get supported.

posted on Mar, 2 2005 @ 11:15 PM
It's impossible to rate countries on such subjective ideas as "quality of life" -- I say you can either rate them all as "good", "ok", or "bad" in those cases, but that's as specific as you can get.

The only three statistics that are rock solid are (1) Area -- the U.S. is 3rd among all the world's countries in land area; only Canada and Russia are larger in size; (2) Population -- the U.S. is also 3rd among the world's countries in population; only India and China have more people (though both have significantly more people); and finally, (3) Gross National Product -- the U.S. has a GNP of $11 trillion ($37,800 per capita), 1st among the world's countries.

Even those three statistics are likely to change, with the changes more dramatic in less stable countries.

posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 01:09 PM
Yup...these rankings can be a little misleading, but I guess at the very least they can give you a general sense of some of a countries facilities...

Here's the full HDI report from the UN for 2004:

The basic stats that you seem to want are available in the Human Development Indicators section. Otherwise, it's kind of an interesting read.

[edit on 3-3-2005 by robotbot]

posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 01:42 PM
According to, Aruba (78.98yrs) has a better life expetancy than the United States (77.43yrs).

On nationmaster you can see it as well..

posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 04:21 PM
When the government does such things as provide health care for everyone, it may be seen as degrading freedom and "human rights." The logic there is that I should have a right not to have to pay for somebody else's care. The socialist states of Europe, for example, have ridiculously high taxes to pay for things like their universal healthcare. So, I mean isn't that really infringing on their human rights? Taxes should be regressive (the poor should pay a higher percentage of their income) - I don't use public transportation, education, etc. - so why am I paying for it? The poor do use those services. I think that would increase the level of "human rights" (You take care of you, I take care of me - the right to do what I want with my money.)

posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 05:24 PM
Aneki will give you lists of some of what you seek

While a more comprehensive site is the Human Development report

And the daddy of them all is OECD

posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 05:42 PM
Degrading my human rights because I have to pay for someone else's healthcare? Ridiculous.

We pay higher taxes because we are liberal socialist minded countries, we believe that everyone has a fair shot and that you shouldn't have to pay thousands of dollars to live. Isn't it more degrading to know you could die but also know you don't have the 25,000 dollars for an operation and not have any means to get the money, even through loans? Or do you think that unless you have stacks of cash you aren't worth a place on the earth anyways?

Healthcare and affordable education are important, so important that we and our governments think they should be healvily subsidized so we don't take the better part of our lives to pay for it all. I don't get Americans distaste for this, you'd rather spend billions on armaments? Because that s really the expenditure difference, instead of all your billioons being spent on weapons and funding companies like haliiburton etc... your money would be spent ensuring that everyone in your country had access to healthcare and education. I don't think that is a bad thing, and I think that is why countries where healthcare is subsidized are considered a better place to live, hence being higher on this list.

posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 05:51 PM
Appologies for quoting the entire article but it's hard to "sum up" a list of bullet points.

This was recently printed in the Austin Chronicle and is featured today on Information Clearing House. Each point is referenced to a mainstream media source.

No concept lies more firmly embedded in our national character than the notion that the USA is "No. 1," "the greatest." Our broadcast media are, in essence, continuous advertisements for the brand name "America Is No. 1." Any office seeker saying otherwise would be committing political suicide. In fact, anyone saying otherwise will be labeled "un-American." We're an "empire," ain't we? Sure we are. An empire without a manufacturing base. An empire that must borrow $2 billion a day from its competitors in order to function. Yet the delusion is ineradicable. We're No. 1.

Well...this is the country you really live in:

The United States is 49th in the world in literacy (the New York Times, Dec. 12, 2004).

The United States ranked 28th out of 40 countries in mathematical literacy (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

Twenty percent of Americans think the sun orbits the earth. Seventeen percent believe the earth revolves around the sun once a day (The Week, Jan. 7, 2005).

"The International Adult Literacy Survey...found that Americans with less than nine years of education 'score worse than virtually all of the other countries'" (Jeremy Rifkin's superbly documented book The European Dream: How Europe's Vision of the Future Is Quietly Eclipsing the American Dream, p.78).

Our workers are so ignorant and lack so many basic skills that American businesses spend $30 billion a year on remedial training (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004). No wonder they relocate elsewhere!

"The European Union leads the U.S. in...the number of science and engineering graduates; public research and development (R&D) expenditures; and new capital raised" (The European Dream, p.70).

"Europe surpassed the United States in the mid-1990s as the largest producer of scientific literature" (The European Dream, p.70).
Nevertheless, Congress cut funds to the National Science Foundation. The agency will issue 1,000 fewer research grants this year (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004).

Foreign applications to U.S. grad schools declined 28 percent last year. Foreign student enrollment on all levels fell for the first time in three decades, but increased greatly in Europe and China. Last year Chinese grad-school graduates in the U.S. dropped 56 percent, Indians 51 percent, South Koreans 28 percent (NYT, Dec. 21, 2004). We're not the place to be anymore.

The World Health Organization "ranked the countries of the world in terms of overall health performance, and the U.S. [was]...37th." In the fairness of health care, we're 54th. "The irony is that the United States spends more per capita for health care than any other nation in the world" (The European Dream, pp.79-80). Pay more, get lots, lots less.

"The U.S. and South Africa are the only two developed countries in the world that do not provide health care for all their citizens" (The European Dream, p.80). Excuse me, but since when is South Africa a "developed" country? Anyway, that's the company we're keeping.

Lack of health insurance coverage causes 18,000 unnecessary American deaths a year. (That's six times the number of people killed on 9/11.) (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005.)

"U.S. childhood poverty now ranks 22nd, or second to last, among the developed nations. Only Mexico scores lower" (The European Dream, p.81). Been to Mexico lately? Does it look "developed" to you? Yet it's the only "developed" country to score lower in childhood poverty.

Twelve million American families--more than 10 percent of all U.S. households--"continue to struggle, and not always successfully, to feed themselves." Families that "had members who actually went hungry at some point last year" numbered 3.9 million (NYT, Nov. 22, 2004).

The United States is 41st in the world in infant mortality. Cuba scores higher (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

Women are 70 percent more likely to die in childbirth in America than in Europe (NYT, Jan. 12, 2005).

The leading cause of death of pregnant women in this country is murder (CNN, Dec. 14, 2004).

"Of the 20 most developed countries in the world, the U.S. was dead last in the growth rate of total compensation to its workforce in the 1980s.... In the 1990s, the U.S. average compensation growth rate grew only slightly, at an annual rate of about 0.1 percent" (The European Dream, p.39). Yet Americans work longer hours per year than any other industrialized country, and get less vacation time.

"Sixty-one of the 140 biggest companies on the Global Fortune 500 rankings are European, while only 50 are U.S. companies" (The European Dream, p.66). "In a recent survey of the world's 50 best companies, conducted by Global Finance, all but one were European" (The European Dream, p.69).

"Fourteen of the 20 largest commercial banks in the world today are European.... In the chemical industry, the European company BASF is the world's leader, and three of the top six players are European. In engineering and construction, three of the top five companies are European.... The two others are Japanese. Not a single American engineering and construction company is included among the world's top nine competitors. In food and consumer products, Nestlé and Unilever, two European giants, rank first and second, respectively, in the world. In the food and drugstore retail trade, two European companies...are first and second, and European companies make up five of the top ten. Only four U.S. companies are on the list" (The European Dream, p.68).
The United States has lost 1.3 million jobs to China in the last decade (CNN, Jan. 12, 2005).

U.S. employers eliminated 1 million jobs in 2004 (The Week, Jan. 14, 2005).
Three million six hundred thousand Americans ran out of unemployment insurance last year; 1.8 million--one in five--unemployed workers are jobless for more than six months (NYT, Jan. 9, 2005).

Japan, China, Taiwan, and South Korea hold 40 percent of our government debt. (That's why we talk nice to them.) "By helping keep mortgage rates from rising, China has come to play an enormous and little-noticed role in sustaining the American housing boom" (NYT, Dec. 4, 2004). Read that twice. We owe our housing boom to China, because they want us to keep buying all that stuff they manufacture.

Sometime in the next 10 years Brazil will probably pass the U.S. as the world's largest agricultural producer. Brazil is now the world's largest exporter of chickens, orange juice, sugar, coffee, and tobacco. Last year, Brazil passed the U.S. as the world's largest beef producer. (Hear that, you poor deluded cowboys?) As a result, while we bear record trade deficits, Brazil boasts a $30 billion trade surplus (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

As of last June, the U.S. imported more food than it exported (NYT, Dec. 12, 2004).

Bush: 62,027,582 votes. Kerry: 59,026,003 votes. Number of eligible voters who didn't show up: 79,279,000 (NYT, Dec. 26, 2004). That's more than a third. Way more. If more than a third of Iraqis don't show for their election, no country in the world will think that election legitimate.

One-third of all U.S. children are born out of wedlock. One-half of all U.S. children will live in a one-parent house (CNN, Dec. 10, 2004).

"Americans are now spending more money on gambling than on movies, videos, DVDs, music, and books combined" (The European Dream, p.28).

"Nearly one out of four Americans [believe] that using violence to get what they want is acceptable" (The European Dream, p.32).

Forty-three percent of Americans think torture is sometimes justified, according to a PEW Poll (Associated Press, Aug. 19, 2004).

"Nearly 900,000 children were abused or neglected in 2002, the last year for which such data are available" (USA Today, Dec. 21, 2004).

"The International Association of Chiefs of Police said that cuts by the [Bush] administration in federal aid to local police agencies have left the nation more vulnerable than ever" (USA Today, Nov. 17, 2004).

No. 1?

In most important categories we're not even in the Top 10 anymore.

Not even close.

The USA is "No. 1" in nothing but weaponry, consumer spending, debt, and delusion.



posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 06:20 PM
Alpa humana? the poor should pay more taxes than the rich... thats typical elistist bull# if you ask me! Coz if the poor was paying for healthcare and public transport and not the rich, the rich would use it more than they do now coz they are getting something for nothing, and their wealth can be used on another luxury yacht or be horded so at the next millionares meeting they can brag about all this money they have which they wont ever use...

back to the original post though, if you ask someone in the states who is rich and privilidged then they'd say the US is the best country... but if you ask someone who cant afford medicine to stay healthy, thus cant work coz their sick and thus get stuck in the poverty cycle, they would say its no where near the worse... its taken by averages and on average i dont think the USA is anywhere near the top compared to other 'developed countries' as there are a large number of people who live well below the poverty line.

Also if you ask anyone who lives elsewhere and has lived in the states, theyy'd agree the USA is far from the best.

posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 06:55 PM
It's a simple matter of personal responsibility. If I have to take the steps and make the sacrifices to do well in school, graduate, get a good job and become successful financially why should I have to provide for other people? I'm not being cold-hearted, just saying I should have the right to keep my own money. People should only have to be responsible for themselves - why should I have to provide money for some highschool dropout drug addict who had to prositute themself out to carrying on their habit that now has diseases and requires expensive treatment. When I make a choice I take responsibility for its consequences.

posted on Mar, 3 2005 @ 09:18 PM
Personal responsibility is not the only factor. There are many factorsgg.. Not everybody gets a chance at college for example. And especially not poor people. The only chance they have is a scholarship (in the U.S.).

In Germany there are free quality Universities. In Holland you get a loan or a scholarship. (You might not have to pay it back). etc... Lots of social problems can be solved by taxing the rich, and a government gets a lot more income as well by taxing the rich than taxing the poor. Especially with countries that have polarized wealth ratio's. The United States being an example. I wouldn't mind getting taxed more at all if I had a very high income if it's to bring the standards and wellbeing of the country to a acceptable level. With the current system I can guarantee that millions of dedicated, hardworking poor people will never get a chance.

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