Weird Black Hole Is Shooting Out Wobbly Jets Because It's Dragging Spacetime

The Black Hole , V404 Cygni , lives about 7,800 light-years away and seemed fairly unremarkable until it "woke from dormancy" in 2015 to take a munch from its companion red giant Star , for a week.
Astronomers have been examining the data they collected during that week and have now come up with some interesting results.

In the binary black hole system V404 Cygni, a relatively small black hole and a sun-like star orbit one another while the black hole siphons material from its cosmic partner

"This is one of the most extraordinary black hole systems I've ever come across," said astrophysicist James Miller-Jones of the International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research (ICRAR) at Curtin University in Australia.

V404 Cygni is a binary microquasar system consisting of a black hole about nine times the mass of the Sun and a companion star, an early red giant slightly smaller than the Sun.

The black hole is slowly devouring the red giant; the material siphoned away from the star is orbiting the black hole in the form of an accretion disc, a bit like water circling a drain. The closest regions of the disc are incredibly dense and hot, and extremely radiant; and, as the black hole feeds, it shoots out powerful jets of plasma, presumably from its poles.

In his theory of general relativity, Einstein predicted an effect called frame-dragging. As it spins, a rotating black hole's gravitational field is so intense that it essentially drags spacetime with it. (This is one of the effects scientists hoped to observe when they took a picture of Pōwehi.)

In the case of V404 Cygni, the accretion disc is about 10 million kilometres (6.2 million miles) across. The misalignment of the black hole's rotational axis with the accretion disc has warped the inner few thousand kilometres of said disc.

The frame-dragging effect then pulls the warped part of the disc along with the black hole's rotation, which sends the jet careening off in all directions. In addition, that inner section of the accretion disc is puffed up like a solid doughnut that also precesses.

"This is the only mechanism we can think of that can explain the rapid precession we see in V404 Cygni," Miller-Jones said.
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I wonder what , if any , effect the dragging of Spacetime would have on an observer if they could get close enough to experience it.

Dragging space time? I do not think that a scientist can determine that from this point in space. If it was dragging space time, we would not be able to see anything wobble or come out, in fact, it would pull all light back into it and we would not be able to see it.

But since they have the degrees and have the money to slam the opposition and they form the consensus of the time in science, I will just have to live with their hypothesis being accepted. I am not going to believe something like that when I know how the scientific community works. The odds of this being completely correct are zilch, being half correct, maybe five percent. One mistake in their philosophy can make something completely wrong. In another hundred years, I would say we could maybe get a little better at finding the truth.

a reply to: gortex

I wonder if one day we’ll look back at all of this and wonder how we could have believed such nonsense?
It’s like whatever it takes to keep the dream scam alive, I guess.
Space time warping is where we are at? Just to prop up gravity? Which props up the globe and heliocentric model?
How far will we keep going with this?
How many more Tesla cars in space?
Well, they at least better work on their cgi skills.

a reply to: gortex

Just think, it did that 7800 years ago...

Wonder what its doing, now?

a reply to: gortex

Don't you know. The black hole is flat.

Nice Find,


it may be a problem with the 'balance' of the compressed material/matter that's trapped in the Black Hole...

most of us have witnessed a washing machine with an unbalanced load inside... It wobbles and thunks as the drum with the concrete weights slams against the washing machine wall and frame... the operator has to rebalance the clothing & fabrics so that the whole machine can spin like a top again...

the Black Hole might not have the ability to self correct the lumpy physical matter inside the 'belly' of the light-year large BH object = = = so another Big Bang might suddenly happen from that One wayward, erratic Black Hole gone wild !

originally posted by: rickymouse
Dragging space time? I do not think that a scientist can determine that from this point in space. If it was dragging space time, we would not be able to see anything wobble or come out, in fact, it would pull all light back into it and we would not be able to see it.

But since they have the degrees and have the money to slam the opposition and they form the consensus of the time in science, I will just have to live with their hypothesis being accepted. I am not going to believe something like that when I know how the scientific community works. The odds of this being completely correct are zilch, being half correct, maybe five percent. One mistake in their philosophy can make something completely wrong. In another hundred years, I would say we could maybe get a little better at finding the truth.

Huh, you state 'fact', despite 'I do not think that a scientist can determine that from this point in space' where did you learn this from are you closer to the blackhole in question? and why are you not teaching these deceitful scientist the truth then?

What are the odds your theory is correct, not trying to suggest I know any better as I will admit I do not, I find it odd though that you can be so dismissive, have you a secret space ship

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

I am just saying that someone is making up this crap. A telescope does not go back in time when viewing through it. They act like it does, but the speed of light is defined, even though it does slow down or deflect when tugged on by large masses or magnetic pulls. I know about the bubble effect and how things are not in the place we think they are in, every galaxy has a barrier and when you view something through it it can distort position and time reference. That is not looking through time and you cannot see through time with any sort of telescope from here. That is what they insinuate, try to make us believe they are doing by the way they are writing things. They want us to be impressed so we keep allowing our dollars to go to fund their research.

I agree that these people need jobs but I do not have to accept their conclusions either, reason it out, how could they see a wobble moving if time was dialated, the sheer gravity would pull all light into the hole, we would not see anything with a telescope.

originally posted by: St Udio
Nice Find,


it may be a problem with the 'balance' of the compressed material/matter that's trapped in the Black Hole...

most of us have witnessed a washing machine with an unbalanced load inside... It wobbles and thunks as the drum with the concrete weights slams against the washing machine wall and frame... the operator has to rebalance the clothing & fabrics so that the whole machine can spin like a top again...

the Black Hole might not have the ability to self correct the lumpy physical matter inside the 'belly' of the light-year large BH object = = = so another Big Bang might suddenly happen from that One wayward, erratic Black Hole gone wild !

That sounds really cool but can black holes have big bangs while they're already in a universe that was created by a big bang?

If the theoretical answer is yes, wouldn't that mean that a universe already existed when the current universe was hatched from the big big bang? If so, couldn't some of the planets and stars out there somewhere be older than the universe?

Then again, doesn't a black hole have to be fed to reach a mass great enough to "big bang"? This would mean there was a universe before our universe, there had to be, to feed the black hole which big banged after gobbling most of the old universe up to be able to big bang.

That also means that space itself existed before it big banged, and what we consider the universe-starting, epic big bang that created everything in existance billions of light years around was really just another burp in a series of burps that have been happening for longer than we can measure time, even with a computer.

originally posted by: gortex

I wonder what , if any , effect the dragging of Spacetime would have on an observer if they could get close enough to experience it.

HOLY freakin' cow. That was beautiful to watch.

A SWAG (Scientific Wild Ass Guess) if you will:
Oh think about you would be much bigger if you were going to Light Speed, or so the theory goes. Therefore you would shrink in all likely hood as you slow down and have increased gravitational pressure.

a reply to: rickymouse

Ricky think about it this way, and Phage would tell this better I am sure.


The event took that many years for the light to reach here IF the speed of light is constant.

Do we really know the speed of light or is it skewed to us by our observation. Just as quantum entanglement implies we somehow affect the outcomes by observing.

It's like a cosmic yard sprinkler!

a reply to: gortex

Looks like a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

a reply to: r0xor

I wish I could congratulate you more than a pitiful Star for your post


but I will point out that astronomers are perplexed with Stars or Galaxies that are 'older' than they rightfully should be...but these 'anomalies' are quietly forgotten as being just faulty dating

I say sure... why not a Big Bang source once again... after all the theory of White Holes[.b] where matter spills out into a void-in-the-Universe from a reverse Black Hole was once an accepted theory among the enlightened Astrophysicists

a reply to: St Udio

As far as we know now , a "Black Hole" can only collapse in upon itself and fade away to nothingness .
And the "Big Bang" was just a Great Expansion.
There was no "Bang"

most of us have witnessed a washing machine with an unbalanced load inside... It wobbles and thunks as the drum with the concrete weights slams against the washing machine wall and frame

I agree with that one.

a reply to: gortex

Great OP Gortex! Interesting things, black holes.

Do you think that blacks holes could be the reason we are getting weird data from instruments trying to detect the expansion rate of the Universe?

How do you define Time?

If Time can stretch, does that mean it can rip also?

What does the Wobbly Jet consist of? What is it made of? What creates it?

Is it as simple as a bucket over flowing from the mass added, so the excess spills out of the boundary set forth upon it by the Universe itself?

Again, thanks for this info. Keep them coming.

Or is more of

"Scientists theorize" should be appended to the thread title.

Please stop presenting this bulls# as fact.

a reply to: grey580

your meme is i think uninitially smart and very right.

a reply to: gortex


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