The Liberal Democrats Want To Stop Brexit. Can Someone Help Me With This.

a reply to: IAMTAT

And what do separatists say? Every man for himself?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?

That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?

But it’s not democratic to change the result of a referendum. The democratic way is to leave the EU, then if you want to join the EU at a later date, have another referendum.

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

The majority wanted to, as determined by the vote.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

What makes you so sure that the majority no longer want to leave?

Nigel Farrage's new brexit party has shot past all the other parties

so it would seem obvious that the people still want to LEAVE

I don't know that's why we need another referendum.

What % are brexit party getting in polls. Pretty sure its not a majority.

a reply to: PsychoEmperor

So the UK voted to Exit the European Union, they should honor that vote and exit. They can have a revote AFTER the first vote is honored. THAT"S how democracy works, you don't keep re-voting hoping to change the results before honoring the results of the first vote

I'm sure the rest of Europe would just love to play the now we're in now we're out game with the UK.

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?

That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?

But it’s not democratic to change the result of a referendum. The democratic way is to leave the EU, then if you want to join the EU at a later date, have another referendum.

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

The majority wanted to, as determined by the vote.

3 years ago. Do you think we should leave even if majority now want to stay?

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If only the Brits could think of some historical example, whereby a country fought for (and won) it's independence and freedom from an empire trying to control it's economic and governmental decisions.

You mean having to ally ourselves with the French because we wouldn't be strong enough to achieve such a task on our own - that's a historical example from somewhere I'm sure.

Allies are always helpful.

What's your point?

Simple really, Brexit is supposed to be about the UK standing on its own, not having to rely on another country to get it done.

But then your analogy was a typically weak one in the first place, so not sure what point you thought you were making.

Then your bringing up the topic of allies remains predictably irrelevant.

a reply to: Tartuffe

Agreed, enact the result of the first vote, then consider it again after leaving the EU, people have the option to vote for pro or anti brexit parties in the next general election.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

What makes you so sure that the majority no longer want to leave?

Nigel Farrage's new brexit party has shot past all the other parties

so it would seem obvious that the people still want to LEAVE

I don't know that's why we need another referendum.

What % are brexit party getting in polls. Pretty sure its not a majority.

You would be incorrect...
Farage in pole position for European Parliament elections
Irish Times reporting yougov poll

originally posted by: RUokayHun

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

What makes you so sure that the majority no longer want to leave?

Nigel Farrage's new brexit party has shot past all the other parties

so it would seem obvious that the people still want to LEAVE

I don't know that's why we need another referendum.

What % are brexit party getting in polls. Pretty sure its not a majority.

You would be incorrect...
Farage in pole position for European Parliament elections
Irish Times reporting yougov poll

27% is a majority?

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If only the Brits could think of some historical example, whereby a country fought for (and won) it's independence and freedom from an empire trying to control it's economic and governmental decisions.

You mean having to ally ourselves with the French because we wouldn't be strong enough to achieve such a task on our own - that's a historical example from somewhere I'm sure.

Allies are always helpful.

What's your point?

Simple really, Brexit is supposed to be about the UK standing on its own, not having to rely on another country to get it done.

But then your analogy was a typically weak one in the first place, so not sure what point you thought you were making.

Then your bringing up the topic of allies remains predictably irrelevant.

Not really, it was in response to someone who (like others) always has to try and make every thread that has nothing to do with America, in some way something to do with America. I sometimes really write meaningless responses on ATS too, thankfully 9 times out of 10 I stop before I press the reply button - it's a gift.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?

That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?

But it’s not democratic to change the result of a referendum. The democratic way is to leave the EU, then if you want to join the EU at a later date, have another referendum.

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

The majority wanted to, as determined by the vote.

3 years ago. Do you think we should leave even if majority now want to stay?

How do you know the majority want to stay? The vote said otherwise.

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ScepticScot

They want to stop brexit.

Why ? Do they not respect democracy ? The will of the people. Or only when it goes the way THEY want it to.

And you ask me why i am confused.

If the majority people want to stay now do you think we should still leave?

When the majority voted in 2016 to leave, do you think we should now stay ?

You didn't answer the question.

It's 2019 now, if the majority want to stay should we still leave?

I will answer it this way.

Do you think the result of the 2016 Referendum should be declared null and void and tossed into the waste paper bin?

That's a question not an answer.

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum.

Are you willing to answer my question now?

But it’s not democratic to change the result of a referendum. The democratic way is to leave the EU, then if you want to join the EU at a later date, have another referendum.

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

The majority wanted to, as determined by the vote.

3 years ago. Do you think we should leave even if majority now want to stay?

How do you know the majority want to stay? The vote said otherwise.

As posted before I don't. That's why we need another referendum.

Also you didn't answer the question

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: ScepticScot

Why should we leave if the majority no longer want to?

What makes you so sure that the majority no longer want to leave?

Nigel Farrage's new brexit party has shot past all the other parties

so it would seem obvious that the people still want to LEAVE

Do even you not think that voting for Farage's party (actually, it's not his party but the actual founder/sponsor isn't a particularly pleasant person) has one shred of sense as it's a one trick pony that the narcissistic a hole wants to keep his ego stroked.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Largest support then, didn't read it right, apologies, but with votes for UKIP and Tories as well it could be the case that the majority of votes are for pro brexit parties. If so next month then I'd say that settles the issue.

originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: ScepticScot

Largest support then, didn't read it right, apologies, but with votes for UKIP and Tories as well it could be the case that the majority of votes are for pro brexit parties. If so next month then I'd say that settles the issue.

Why not have a referendum and settle it properly then.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: IAMTAT
If only the Brits could think of some historical example, whereby a country fought for (and won) it's independence and freedom from an empire trying to control it's economic and governmental decisions.

You mean having to ally ourselves with the French because we wouldn't be strong enough to achieve such a task on our own - that's a historical example from somewhere I'm sure.

Allies are always helpful.

What's your point?

Simple really, Brexit is supposed to be about the UK standing on its own, not having to rely on another country to get it done.

But then your analogy was a typically weak one in the first place, so not sure what point you thought you were making.

Then your bringing up the topic of allies remains predictably irrelevant.

I sometimes really write meaningless responses on ATS too, thankfully 9 times out of 10 I stop before I press the reply button - it's a gift.

Then I'll certainly be looking forward to your next nine posts.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I think that the only democratic way change the result of a referendum is another referendum

So lets get this clear.

You think it's democratic to have another referendum that you hope wipe out the result of the initial democratic referendum, which you don't want to democratically honour.

What kind of nonsense is that ?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: RUokayHun
a reply to: ScepticScot

Largest support then, didn't read it right, apologies, but with votes for UKIP and Tories as well it could be the case that the majority of votes are for pro brexit parties. If so next month then I'd say that settles the issue.

Why not have a referendum and settle it properly then.

Honour the decision of the first referendum and then we can talk, otherwise referenda are meaningless.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

I think you might be slightly confused about how democracy works.

Quite possibly the most uniformed and illogical thing I've ever read here. Hard to say in such a crowded field.

I am quite sure the EU's bollocks are toasty warm, however, from such mindless and enthusiastic suckling. That kind of groveling enthusiasm must travel upward and warm their cold little hearts as well.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: alldaylong

You had a vote.

You don't get a "re-do" just because you don't like the results.

SMH

Just leave already!

It really is great when Americans say things like that. The popular vote in the last American Presidential election was won by Hilary Clinton, that was overturned by the electoral colleges that were put in place so that the riff raff wouldn't get to actually decide who would lead the country, who the fudge would trust them? Got to love those founding fathers, making sure their interests would be kept safe.

And then people talk about the politics in other countries.

For reference though, a referendum isn't legally binding, never has been, it's a call to hear the voice of the country. On this occasion though Cameron said whatever the result was, it would be honoured, although technically it still could be withdrawn - not saying it should, but it could.