Why is one cheater worse than another?

A thread about waiters not reporting taxes got me thinking.

Why do we treat people differently sometimes?

Several people brought up millionaires using tax havens to avoid taxes. These are legal in most cases I believe.
But a waitress not reporting cash income was just fine. That is definitely illegal.
Not to mention that when a single mother doesnt report income the guy paying child support is likely getting screwed over.

The big guy is the bad guy.

Why is mike tyson still a celebrity?
He was in prison for rape.

Why is Barry bonds not in the hall of fame?
Oh yeah, he might have cheated.

But gaylord perry who made a career doctoring a baseball is in the hall of fame.
Pete rose said he hit one of Perry's pitches and he literally saw spit fly off the ball.
Perry wrote a book called "me and the spitter"

Steroids are cheating, amphetamines are ok..
Lots of amphetamines in 70s baseball.

Bill Clinton accused of rape and paid women off to keep quiet.......meh...

Trump pays someone to keep quiet....ahhhhhh!

I'm sure I left out many more examples.

I guess I just dont understand how things work anymore.

a reply to: Bluntone22


Because people have emotion-driven agendas.

a reply to: Bluntone22

You can weigh how guilty a person is by profit that is lost.

I do not know about a lot of people the OP mentioned, but Bill Clinton..

Bill CLINTON!

Do not tell me that the Reps were calm and responded in a fine and humane kind of way to his .. affair with Lewinski. It was the Downpour of Hate-LAVA, all over the medias.

And he didn't have CNN or Foxnews to hold his hands and calm his mind, he was free for all. Completely different times, those were.

a reply to: ManFromEurope

Gloria Steinem defended bill clinton..
I doubt trump will get the same.

Neither deserves defending

a reply to: Bluntone22

Because America. That's why.

Jussie smollett walks free, bribe schools for kids, Steve king is still in office.


It works because its America and we wouldn't want it any other ways; otherwise it would be different.

We sent a spacecraft out of our solar system, if we don't want to tackle moral, and literal corruption, it is because we don't want to.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I suppose its all perception.

When I think of waiters and bartenders, I typically think of young people with a temperary gig working to get to the next level. If it's a young person holding back cash tips from the government, I don't think the nation is hurting. I'd also be willing to bet that most tips are give via card which automatically get reported as they get posted to their check.

The life longers are probably still not hurting the nation as a whole pocketing enough in a week to cover their cell phone bill and maybe the car insurance next week.... But they did make a life choice and at this point out of principle should pay their share.

As per your most of the time legal statement about rich people, I think the objective word most is really throwing them a bone. Either way, it's in the grey area and we don't know as many like to keep those things hidden.

I guess at the end of the day "a sins a sin", but if you asked me if someone was cheating to maintain bills and the other was doing it to maintain the yacht and private jet...

Augustus comment would ring true my emotion would probably favor one over the other.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Not all laws are just or applied fairly.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
A thread about waiters not reporting taxes got me thinking.

Why do we treat people differently sometimes?

Several people brought up millionaires using tax havens to avoid taxes. These are legal in most cases I believe.
But a waitress not reporting cash income was just fine. That is definitely illegal.
Not to mention that when a single mother doesnt report income the guy paying child support is likely getting screwed over.

The big guy is the bad guy.

Why is mike tyson still a celebrity?
He was in prison for rape.

Why is Barry bonds not in the hall of fame?
Oh yeah, he might have cheated.

But gaylord perry who made a career doctoring a baseball is in the hall of fame.
Pete rose said he hit one of Perry's pitches and he literally saw spit fly off the ball.
Perry wrote a book called "me and the spitter"

Steroids are cheating, amphetamines are ok..
Lots of amphetamines in 70s baseball.

Bill Clinton accused of rape and paid women off to keep quiet.......meh...

Trump pays someone to keep quiet....ahhhhhh!

I'm sure I left out many more examples.

I guess I just dont understand how things work anymore.

It isn't cost effective to go after the small fish like waiters. Yes, they cheat. Along with barbers... strippers.

However, it is much easier to go after someone making several million and find a few hundred grand in taxes owed than it is say a waiter who might owe $5k. The cost to prosecute cost the same... the IRS would probably be losing money going after the waiter in man hours/time/cost relative to the taxes owed.

All these games would stop if they just got rid of the tax code and went to a straight flat tax.

When people are cheating on taxes, it means the taxes are too high. Yes, there will always be someone who cheats, but the reality is that most people wouldn't bother cheating if say taxes were 10% as the time / cost involved don't warrant the cheating.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Bluntone22

Not all laws are just or applied fairly.

This isnt just about laws though.
It's more about perception.

Everyone bangs on walmart for their employee treatment but they dont care that target or meiers have the same policies.

Why is the perception so different?

originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: Bluntone22

Not all laws are just or applied fairly.

This isnt just about laws though.
It's more about perception.

Everyone bangs on walmart for their employee treatment but they dont care that target or meiers have the same policies.

Why is the perception so different?

It is lack of education and information on the topic...

Sometimes the offender is just lucky. Good timing may mean they don't suffer the same reputation loss.... bad timing may mean they are ruined for life.

Here is a good example....no social media vs social media.

Amadou Diallo and Mike Brown....

Amadou was a black immigrant who was killed by four cops in NYC. He was shot 19 times (41 shots fired) . The cops got off. He was mistaken as a rape suspect. He was unarmed and shot in a dark corridor. This occured in 1999 before social media. There was outrage, but nothing like what you saw with Mike Brown...

Mike Brown's story on the other hand was a bunch of BS from the start. A fake story went viral on social media about him having his hands up and being shot without provocation when in fact he attacked a police officer. There were riots, black live matter started, etc...

originally posted by: Bluntone22
A thread about waiters not reporting taxes got me thinking.

Why do we treat people differently sometimes?

Shouldn't this be in Philosophy and Metaphysics? Who cares, star and flag.

Several people brought up millionaires using tax havens to avoid taxes. These are legal in most cases I believe.
But a waitress not reporting cash income was just fine. That is definitely illegal.
Not to mention that when a single mother doesnt report income the guy paying child support is likely getting screwed over.

Most women get preferential treatment in all walks of life except behind closed doors for some, the psychological damage from which can be straggering, permanently changing them in an appealing to some yet completely dysfunctional way. Perks in the workplace 100% in the way they're treated, especially when new, like children minus the discipline.

If they're attractive, even halfway, haha, just be really observant without bringing any attention to yourself from a third person perspective on any given day. Look at it as a behavioral science student or a social networking engineer. What gets the most likes, replies, and conversation going the most, thus the most clicks and advertisements?

If you wanted to be really analytical or petty, on this forum a female is pretty uncommon and under represented as the slight majority on the planet. When they get involved in a discussion, that post will get more replies thus more clicks than some other posts.

As for millionaires avoiding taxes, you have to look at how much tax money that they're robbing the Federal Government of. That's wall money, that's Trump administration money for the country while Republicans have the ball politically. Republicans should condemn that strongly, especially right now.

If Obama were President, it might be quietly applauded between friends and encouraged, but the attitude should be different right now. You should feel more at ease letting the Government have their fair share, it's going to go to a good cause.

Why is mike tyson still a celebrity?
He was in prison for rape.

Because he put more anger into his extremely well trained boxing at the peak age and conditioning to be the nastiest knock out king of the ring. Those of us who grew up while he was the champ remember him as being godly in a gladitorial kind of way. He's also African American multiplying his star forgiveness factor.

Why is Barry bonds not in the hall of fame?
Oh yeah, he might have cheated.

These black guys, smh.

But gaylord perry who made a career doctoring a baseball is in the hall of fame.
Pete rose said he hit one of Perry's pitches and he literally saw spit fly off the ball.
Perry wrote a book called "me and the spitter"

He was a white, Mid-Western hero in the golden age of simple before high-speed internet, social media, and smartphones. Possibly cellphones, I've never heard of him and I never lie, even out of passion or to sound good on the forum.

Steroids are cheating, amphetamines are ok..
Lots of amphetamines in 70s baseball.

Amphetamines prescribed (used/shared/sold) and amphetamine-like medications are everywhere higher performing adults and children are in all walks of life, period. I know some of them. Elon Musk probably is too. I remember reading propaganda articles in the MSM a couple years ago, maybe last year that said he'd work to exhaustion, camp at the office and they'd find him sleeping under a desk. He claimed he couldn't shut off his mind, brain or some such.

The people in the retail, food, and medical industry that are really chipper, in a seemingly fake good mood with wide open eyes and extra charisma? A lot of them are on it, or lots of coffee. Women not as much but some are the biggest culprits. They're naturals at faking it and already being looked at completely differently by the customers.

Women respect her, men find her charming and attractive, even if she's what most would call average or ugly and/or fairly overweight. Things that'd doom a male in the workplace unless it was a salary based or office job.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Why we care about waiters not paying taxes when the billionaires are gaming the system.

a reply to: r0xor

Replace Barry bonds with mark McGwire.

Its deeper than race

a reply to: Bluntone22

This isnt just about laws though.
It's more about perception.

The IRS is bloated yea?

Do we want them to go after every server who might cheat a thousand dollars a year and use that man power to bring them to "justice" or focus on the sharks who are cheating millions, or tens or hundreds of millions?

Ever think maybe your perception is just as skewed as the rest of us?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

You are just focusing on the one issue.
What about the others?

And I've come to the conclusion years ago that I'm the odd one in todays world.
Knowing that doesnt make me understand any better unfortunately

a reply to: Bluntone22

This isnt just about laws though.
It's more about perception.

Everyone bangs on walmart for their employee treatment but they dont care that target or meiers have the same policies.

Why is the perception so different?

It's all about what gets shoved in your face. The pushers are the house and the house always wins.

Take the 2019 College Admissions Scandal for instance:

If all I ever knew about it was what was shoved in my face, then I would think that it was all about a couple of actresses who I had never heard of because I never watched shows that they were in.

There were 50 people indicted. Why all the focus on two actresses? They were merely customers of a massive conspiracy set up by other people in well placed positions.

Of course people would have to make a bit of an effort to discover that over 50 people were involved. But in your face? Two actresses.

a reply to: Bluntone22

Why is the perception so different?

Wish I knew.

a reply to: Bluntone22

I'm with you in the sense society focuses on the wrong things sometimes...

But the basis being plebians vs patricians and their level of tax participation has me stumped.

Some of your other examples I get, but they still make sense.

Walmart has over 2 million employees, or about 1% of our work force. Meijer has 77,000.... Hell, if my mom didn't live in Michigan (where in at right now) I wouldn't know what Meijer is.

a reply to: pthena

Celebrity will always get more attention than average people.
They also get treated differently.

Wonder why woody allen isnt locked up for child molestation....