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originally posted by: amazing
1. Why wouldn't we/you want the full Mueller report released to the public?
originally posted by: carewemust
Mueller was a HIT MAN appointed by Rod Rosenstein to GET TRUMP. Mueller even conducted a "Get Trump" in-person interview of the President.
Mueller knew before being appointed Special Counsel that there was no "Trump-Russia Collusion". The FBI had already determined this, a few months earlier. (See: Crossfire Hurricane)
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: amazing
No spin? Really? If you spin this thing any harder it'll fly apart from centrifugal force!
1. The report has been released, at least as much as it can in light of a law passed primarily by Democrats after the Clinton investigation. People do not get to pass a law than choose to tell others to ignore it when it becomes inconvenient. Barr is required by law to redact the report.
Let me repeat that: it is illegal for Barr to release any Special Investigation report unredacted.
I don't know how to make that any clearer, sorry.
2. Barr did not choose to exonerate Trump in a vacuum. This was a DoJ decision. And from what very little I have read of it, the report gives a case so flimsy I could not vote for a conviction if I sat on a jury hearing it. It sounds like something that would be well in context during the court scene in Idiocracy, and I do not exaggerate!
3. Of course Russia tried to influence the election! Do you really think we spent $30,000,000.00 to verify that?
Russia tries to influence all US elections. The US tries to influence all Russia elections. China tries to influence all Russia elections. China tries to influence all US elections. The US tries to influence all Chinese elections. Russia tries to influence all Chinese elections. Pakistan tries to influence Syrian elections. Australia tries to influence New Zealand elections. The British try to influence French elections. France tries to influence British elections.
Are you getting it yet? Everybody tries to influence everyone else's elections... and the greatest influence attempt was by the DNC and the GOP, just like every cycle! Just because Russia tried to influence our election, it does not follow that they did influence our election. Evidence suggests they did not succeed, and if they did, it was the greatest bonehead success in history; Donald Trump has been nothing but a thorn in Putin's side ever since his inauguration.
Did Trump know about it? Probably had some suspicions... or he's dumber than a box of rocks. Anyone who would not suspect that Russia would want to interfere with our elections likely wouldn't have enough brainpower to get out of bed in the morning without step-by-step instructions. Could Trump do anything about it? No, because Barack Obama was President, not Donald Trump!
As for trying to obstruct the investigation... HOW? Trump could have fired Mueller on day 1. Trump could have fired Rosenstein on day 1. He has that power. He could have directed Rosenstein to stymie Mueller. He didn't do any of that. The whole obstruction thing came about because Trump fired a man who the Democrats wanted fired and who has since demonstrated extreme incompetence a high-school McDonalds employee would be jealous of! Comey was not handling the investigations... so how could his firing, a Constitutionally-granted right of the sitting President, even affect the investigation... unless Comey was covering for illegalities in the investigation process, like Strzok?
My God, man, the spin in the OP of your "no-spin" thread is as extreme as I have ever seen it... you are parroting CNN, point by point, and then admonishing others to not parrot their sources?
You want a debate on this issue: bring it. But leave your misconceptions at home. This is not the Mud Pit, as I am sure you aware. I want factual (not opinion) sources, and I expect reasoned, non-partisan thinking skills. So come on, fella! I'm yer huckleberry! Let's do this!
originally posted by: amazing
How am I spinning? Please enlighten me. Seriously.