Notre Dame on fire in Paris

a reply to: IAMTAT

a reply to: JonInMichigan

We don’t know how the fire started yet and I don’t like to speculate.

But there’s one thing for sure.

Notre Dame would be a prime target for Isis like ideology .

a reply to: JonInMichigan

Coincidence? If this was a conspiracy theory forum one might assume the fire was intentional.

Maybe it was, but surely their equivalent of a fire marshal would see evidence of accelerants at play.

I think renovations could be the culprit, but truth be told, I don't think any of us here know. It looked like it was near the roof. If there were flat parts of the roof they may have been doing tar and gravel, you have to keep the tar heated before application.

a reply to: IAMTAT

It wasn't Notre Dame that had the window with the blue glass they cannot replicate now was it? Or was that at Chartres?

a reply to: Xtrozero

Renovations also expose old wiring old gas pipes old insulation.
I think they are saying so far it appears to be an accident at the work site.

a reply to: IAMTAT

I wonder how history will record this period? The century that lost its heritage.

a reply to: EchoesInTime

Bless their brave souls.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Your post made me weep.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: IAMTAT

I wonder how history will record this period? The century that lost its heritage.

Hey, if we're all going to be one big happy global family, it wouldn't do to have an actual past to remember and take pride in would it?

a reply to: IAMTAT

Of course...

and of course we will.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: IAMTAT

It wasn't Notre Dame that had the window with the blue glass they cannot replicate now was it? Or was that at Chartres?

Chartres cathedral.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: RetsuUnohana

Why has this got to do with a burning structure?

Maybe start a thread instead on why some Arabs are in France, and why were the French in the Arab world as colonists for centuries?
I'll join your there

It has to do with the issue France is having with population replacement. Some guy took his tweet down that the fire was done on purpose. Also multiple fires since 2018-2019 targeting churches. 2nd largest one was done on February.

a reply to: Nyiah

Why did god wait 800 plus years. The ones who designed and built it are long ago fodder for the crops.

originally posted by: incoserv
According to the Newsweek article that I referenced above, the director of the Vienna-based Observatory of Intolerance and Discrimination Against Christians in Europe says:

"The pressure is coming from the radical secularists or anti-religion groups as well as feminist activists who tend to target churches as a symbol of the patriarchy that needs to be dismantled."

Anybody here suspect Islam to be involved?

And if it is, do you think we'll ever hear about it?

I only know of one anti-christian group that defaces, vandalize and burns churches and it's not feminists or progressives. I am not saying it's radical Muslims, but it's probably radical Muslims.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: ketsuko

Lets just hope this wasn't intentional.

They unexplained two hour delay in fire response is very concerning.

a reply to: RetsuUnohana

It has nothing to do with the breaking news of this thread which is Notre Dame is on fire.

a reply to: EchoesInTime

Oh good heavens. Those relics are sacred and irreplaceable.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: IAMTAT

I wonder how history will record this period? The century that lost its heritage.

Depends on whom is in charge of recording it.

Some feel we should ignore history.
Some feel we should not even think about or discuss painful historic events because it causes stress and prejudice.

a reply to: IAMTAT

This is such a loss, not just for France,...but for humanity.

That is the truth.
It is a sad day.

Renovations also involve "hot work", like welding, using grinders that create sparks and torch use. Regardless of the cause, the damage is done. It could be something as negligence during the renovations and not using fire watchers during hot work, to someone with a vendetta or grudge, to terrorism. I'm leaning towards it was negligence during the renovations, lack of fire controls, equipment or fire watchers.