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originally posted by: Mach2
originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Mach2
We have the worst domestic programs, with the worst outcomes in the developed world. Here, in the richest nation on earth.
I'm not sure I would agree, but one thing I am positive of, is that our government is the most inefficient, and wasteful entity on the planet.
I believe that is the biggest complaint among the average, middle class tax paying citizen, thus the arguement against more social programs, and there doesn't appear to be any way to correct the problem.
I'm not against helping ppl, or evening out the discrepancies, but when your government asks for more, while wasting what you already give them, is it any surprise that we laugh in their face?
originally posted by: Graysen
So, the leftist view is that Trumps only reason for being concerned abut Venezuela is because they have lots of overpriced, thick sour crude that costs a fortune to fractionate.
What about Putin? Why is he giving a rip about Venezuela, and intervening when most of south america supports trump's efforts in this particular situation.
Orange man is always the bad guy. Even if people in countries we ignore support his stance on Venezuela.
Putin, on the other hand is an evil genius. He's flying troops into Venezuela to make sure and keep the current dictator in power, and the Venezuelan oil-fields off-line.
now why on earth would the second biggest producer of petroleum do that?????
but that has nothing to do with common sense security measures, that insure my standard of living.
As far as "taking care of our own", you exaggerate the situation. I have no compassion for lazy individuals, and we spend plenty on domestic programs to give those who are deserving a helping hand.
originally posted by: pexx421
So yes, Russia has an interest in keeping South America from total American subjugation, and in keeping one of its allies free from us flavored economic peonage. And also to demonstrate to the world, once again, that Russia will help its allies when the us tries to attack them.
Is oil part of their factoring? Sure. Because after the us stole all of Venezuela’s money Russia made agreements with Venezuela to begin investing in a pathway to refine and sell their oil in places other than the us. China did too. But that’s a small part of the complete picture. Hope that helps.
originally posted by: Graysen
originally posted by: pexx421
So yes, Russia has an interest in keeping South America from total American subjugation, and in keeping one of its allies free from us flavored economic peonage. And also to demonstrate to the world, once again, that Russia will help its allies when the us tries to attack them.
Is oil part of their factoring? Sure. Because after the us stole all of Venezuela’s money Russia made agreements with Venezuela to begin investing in a pathway to refine and sell their oil in places other than the us. China did too. But that’s a small part of the complete picture. Hope that helps.
I didn't need any help seeing that you're a pro-marxist apologist for Chavez/Maduro. And that you idolize Putin as a Benign defender of Venezuela. Probably just like his benign defense of South Ossetia, Crimea, and other oil-bearing hot-spots around the globe. He and his country aren't even communists any more, but they can still do no wrong in your eyes.
Most of Latin America (and big parts of Europe) has already recognized the opposition leader in Venezuela as the rightful leader. They have been threatened militarily by Venezuela repeatedly over the last three decades. I noticed how you avoid all mention of Chavez' aborted plan to invade Aruba, Bonaire and Curacao. But hey, if they aren't marxist themselves, they must be lap-dogs for the Great Satan America.
The truth is, Putin wants to keep Venezuela from producing and exporting oil. Keeping them out of the market increases the price that the EU pays to Gazprom, the Russian government oil producer. Putin is working hard to keep anyone from turning on the faucet in Venezuela. But hey, as long as it's not America.