UK Muslims protest LGBTQ information

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
WTF are primary schools doing teaching kids about sexuality in the first place, are you guys good with this?

It's an odd one. It's meant to be an anti-bullying program explaining in books that some children may have two dads or mums, personally I think it's too young despite being pro LGBTQ+. If I recall correctly the kids being taught it are seven, while I think 10 is a more appropriate time.

Apparently the parents have been very supportive of the program despite initial concerns so can't be that bad. All the protests are being organised from religious groups from outside the community.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
WTF are primary schools doing teaching kids about sexuality in the first place, are you guys good with this?

It's an odd one. It's meant to be an anti-bullying program explaining in books that some children may have two dads or mums, personally I think it's too young despite being pro LGBTQ+. If I recall correctly the kids being taught it are seven, while I think 10 is a more appropriate time.

Apparently the parents have been very supportive of the program despite initial concerns so can't be that bad. All the protests are being organised from religious groups from outside the community.

It's part of a wider anti discrimination program that covers race, religion, disability etc. Basically don't be a dick to people just because they are different.

My 6 year old is more than capable of understanding what is covered so not sure why leave it to ten.

a reply to: bastion

It's an odd one alright, I think my issues with it is schools have a task and that is to educate our kids how to read and write, I don't really want some teacher pushing their intolerance onto my kids, if anyone is going to do that it's going to be me.

Im just not comfortable with it, teachers have a hard enough time as it is, I realise skepticscott has a valid point that parents can be very intolerant especially when it comes to sexuality but it's just not the schools prerogative to go there.

Schools being the indoctrination centres they are should just butt out.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
WTF are primary schools doing teaching kids about sexuality in the first place, are you guys good with this?

It's an odd one. It's meant to be an anti-bullying program explaining in books that some children may have two dads or mums, personally I think it's too young despite being pro LGBTQ+. If I recall correctly the kids being taught it are seven, while I think 10 is a more appropriate time.

Apparently the parents have been very supportive of the program despite initial concerns so can't be that bad. All the protests are being organised from religious groups from outside the community.

It's part of a wider anti discrimination program that covers race, religion, disability etc. Basically don't be a dick to people just because they are different.

My 6 year old is more than capable of understanding what is covered so not sure why leave it to ten.

Yeah just skim reading the OFSTED report on it (missus is an early years teacher).

The 10 figure was plucked out my arse really. I remember being 8 - 10 in school when we were talking about prostitution and how gay guys have sex in the school playground; would have been appropriate for teachers to have a word and dispel the rumours and misunderstandings (we thought they had piggybacks and asking a girl to be your prostitute was a romantic way to ask for a date) but that was years back when Agenda21 meant it was illegal to mention homosexuality even existed within education.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: bastion

It's an odd one alright, I think my issues with it is schools have a task and that is to educate our kids how to read and write, I don't really want some teacher pushing their intolerance onto my kids, if anyone is going to do that it's going to be me.

Im just not comfortable with it, teachers have a hard enough time as it is, I realise skepticscott has a valid point that parents can be very intolerant especially when it comes to sexuality but it's just not the schools prerogative to go there.

Schools being the indoctrination centres they are should just butt out.

That's where I disagree. It's absolutely the schools prerogative to go there.

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
WTF are primary schools doing teaching kids about sexuality in the first place, are you guys good with this?

It's an odd one. It's meant to be an anti-bullying program explaining in books that some children may have two dads or mums, personally I think it's too young despite being pro LGBTQ+. If I recall correctly the kids being taught it are seven, while I think 10 is a more appropriate time.

Apparently the parents have been very supportive of the program despite initial concerns so can't be that bad. All the protests are being organised from religious groups from outside the community.

It's part of a wider anti discrimination program that covers race, religion, disability etc. Basically don't be a dick to people just because they are different.

My 6 year old is more than capable of understanding what is covered so not sure why leave it to ten.

Yeah just skim reading the OFSTED report on it (missus is an early years teacher).

The 10 figure was plucked out my arse really. I remember being 8 - 10 in school when we were talking about prostitution and how gay guys have sex in the school playground; would have been appropriate for teachers to have a word and dispel the rumours and misunderstandings (we thought they had piggybacks and asking a girl to be your prostitute was a romantic way to ask for a date) but that was years back when Agenda21 meant it was illegal to mention homosexuality even existed within education.

When I was at school being called gay (usually a less polite variances was used) was the biggest insult. Better education on this would have been a great thing.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: bastion

It's an odd one alright, I think my issues with it is schools have a task and that is to educate our kids how to read and write, I don't really want some teacher pushing their intolerance onto my kids, if anyone is going to do that it's going to be me.

Im just not comfortable with it, teachers have a hard enough time as it is, I realise skepticscott has a valid point that parents can be very intolerant especially when it comes to sexuality but it's just not the schools prerogative to go there.

Schools being the indoctrination centres they are should just butt out.

That's where I disagree. It's absolutely the schools prerogative to go there.

Well I guess I haven't had to deal with the intolerance that you have due to your lifestyle, I gather from your above post. Now that I think about it from your perspective I can see why you would be an advocate for it, school is tough place, especially high school, I can concede my view may be somewhat lacking insight.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: bastion

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
WTF are primary schools doing teaching kids about sexuality in the first place, are you guys good with this?

It's an odd one. It's meant to be an anti-bullying program explaining in books that some children may have two dads or mums, personally I think it's too young despite being pro LGBTQ+. If I recall correctly the kids being taught it are seven, while I think 10 is a more appropriate time.

Apparently the parents have been very supportive of the program despite initial concerns so can't be that bad. All the protests are being organised from religious groups from outside the community.

It's part of a wider anti discrimination program that covers race, religion, disability etc. Basically don't be a dick to people just because they are different.

My 6 year old is more than capable of understanding what is covered so not sure why leave it to ten.

Yeah just skim reading the OFSTED report on it (missus is an early years teacher).

The 10 figure was plucked out my arse really. I remember being 8 - 10 in school when we were talking about prostitution and how gay guys have sex in the school playground; would have been appropriate for teachers to have a word and dispel the rumours and misunderstandings (we thought they had piggybacks and asking a girl to be your prostitute was a romantic way to ask for a date) but that was years back when Agenda21 meant it was illegal to mention homosexuality even existed within education.

When I was at school being called gay (usually a less polite variances was used) was the biggest insult. Better education on this would have been a great thing.

That came more into high school with mine but primary school was a pretty sheltered strict RC. Ashamed to say I was homophobic until college when I grew up but my Dad went as far as banning watching footy on TV in case I caught the gay from watching guys hug each other and taking their shirts off when scoring a goal - strange times.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: bastion

It's an odd one alright, I think my issues with it is schools have a task and that is to educate our kids how to read and write, I don't really want some teacher pushing their intolerance onto my kids, if anyone is going to do that it's going to be me.

Im just not comfortable with it, teachers have a hard enough time as it is, I realise skepticscott has a valid point that parents can be very intolerant especially when it comes to sexuality but it's just not the schools prerogative to go there.

Schools being the indoctrination centres they are should just butt out.

That's where I disagree. It's absolutely the schools prerogative to go there.

Well I guess I haven't had to deal with the intolerance that you have due to your lifestyle, I gather from your above post. Now that I think about it from your perspective I can see why you would be an advocate for it, school is tough place, especially high school, I can concede my view may be somewhat lacking insight.

Not a lifestyle thing. I am straight, white, male & culturally (if not practising) protestant. I get the gold level privilege card. I don't quality for platinum due to being from a working class family.

It's the effect on kids growing up with this fear & hatred of the different that is the problem. Like Bastion says above I was pretty homophobic until university as well.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Fair enough, I missed much of that from leaving a private British boarding school and going to an Australian public high school, suffice to say much of my energy went into developing an Australian accent.

originally posted by: stonerwilliam
Christian people should march in Rochdale and moan about the sexulalisation of children , people in glass houses and all that

Your post has largely been by passed and unnoticed due to many not associating

Muslim men and the grooming of underage girls.

Rotherham Council commissioned an independent inquiry led by Professor Alexis Jay. In August 2014 the Jay report concluded that an estimated 1,400 children, most of them white girls,[15] had been sexually abused in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013 by predominantly British-Pakistani men

en.wikipedia.org...

The hypocrisy when they ignore what goes on under their own noses and

Rotherham was not the only area where that was going on. So perhaps they

would benefit from sex education. Because it is ignored doesn't mean it

doesn't exist.

a reply to: ScepticScot

The reality is weans are weans, until they even ken what sexuality is all about.

If they are ready to understand such complex ideologies, at such a limited age, how come it's not also the primary school's job to also explain the likes of quantum mechanics, Boolean logic or differential calculus?

Could it be because they would not have a clue as to what they were going on about and a complete and utter waste of time and resources?

Just like this PC mince. LoL

a reply to: LedermanStudio

Parents do NOT want their children's belief changed.

Now they know how WE feel. TOO BAD! We are gonna force your kids to feel like # if they dont fully embrace the LGBT lifestyle!

a reply to: 3n19m470

Heres what i want to know if this is all fine and dandy and our school's job to teach the kids about reality.

When do the Old and Young, BDSM, Gang Bang, Granny Sex, Pegging, Pissing, Teen Anal Sex, Up Skirt mob turn up to illuminate our primary school children as to the wonderful ways of there sexual proclivities?

Where the hell does this lunacy end??? LoL

And why the hell has it even begun???

Some things kids don't need to know about until they are ready to understand, quite simple really if you ask me.

Incredible silence about an article published the sameday you post. Ok.
www.theguardian.com...

some people have lost their jobs on the same day of breaking news.
we have a track record of the outrage culture exploding en masse at similar topics.

My OP is that this topic is the EXACT type of conflict that sets off the outrage. However, in this instance, the two parties are both VIP members of the intersectional class...

I think you would agree that, were the players in this story different, a single guardian editorial would NOT be the high water mark of pushback.

a reply to: LedermanStudio

Not sure why you think that. It has been covered extensively in the UK media and there have even been televised debates on this topic.

In essence, all that is being taught is that some kids may have 2 daddies, some may have 2 mummies - and that is ok. It is effectively a lesson about tolerance, something all of us should possess.

Some of the Muslim spokesmen (and women!) have tried changing tack, saying it is about not being included on discussions about teaching this, rather than the actual teaching - whilst still removing their children. Frankly, it is part of the education system so these parents need fining for unlawfully preventing their children from going to school.

Also over the last couple of weeks, Ofsted have started coming down hard on Islamic Schools that aren't paying attention to the curriculum - and quite rightly so.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: 3n19m470

Heres what i want to know if this is all fine and dandy and our school's job to teach the kids about reality.

When do the Old and Young, BDSM, Gang Bang, Granny Sex, Pegging, Pissing, Teen Anal Sex, Up Skirt mob turn up to illuminate our primary school children as to the wonderful ways of there sexual proclivities?

Where the hell does this lunacy end??? LoL

And why the hell has it even begun???

Some things kids don't need to know about until they are ready to understand, quite simple really if you ask me.

You have completely missed the point about what these lessons are actually about. They are simply lessons about tolerance and diversity. They are not lessons saying "homosexual man a" puts his genitals in "homosexual man b".

a reply to: Flavian

If kids do anything they ask questions.

If you raise the subject they are going to want to fathom the ins and outs of it all.

I don't think i have missed the point, the salient point being primary kids are just that.

They don't need to know about the complexities of sexual relationships in their entirety until they are ready to have one.

They are children ffs.

a reply to: Flavian

Thank you for letting me know. I couldn't find anything when I researched it.

I'll edit my OP


...which I discovered it too late to edit...

crap

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Flavian

If kids do anything they ask questions.

If you raise the subject they are going to want to fathom the ins and outs of it all.

I don't think i have missed the point, the salient point being primary kids are just that.

They don't need to know about the complexities of sexual relationships in their entirety until they are ready to have one.

They are children ffs.

Then you have missed the point mate. They are not lessons about the complexities of sexual relationships - they are only in Primary School! They are lessons about the fact that sometimes kids may have 2 daddies or 2 mummies instead of a daddy and a mummy. There is nothing in these lessons about any complex issues.

If we want a tolerant society, education is the key.