Justice Department sides with court ruling Obamacare invalid

The Department of Justice (DOJ) on Monday announced that it is siding with a district court ruling that found the Affordable Care Act unconstitutional.

The move is an escalation of the Trump administration's legal battle against the health care law.

The DOJ previously argued in court that the law's pre-existing condition protections should be struck down. Now, the administration argues the entire law should be invalidated.

Justice Department sides with court ruling Obamacare invalid

I for one have always thought this ridiculous move towards socialism/communism with ACA was unconstitutional. Looks like that is indeed the case for at least part of it. And that exact part- the mandatory coverage- was exactly my major beef with it.

Not all Americans can afford health care, and it places an undue burden, and for many an UNATTAINABLE burden, on many Americans- to REQUIRE by law, that one must carry health insurance. Especially considering its ridiculous costs. And especially considering that so many people can barely pay rent with outrageous real estate prices in many parts of the country, with absurdly low-paying jobs, and the untenable situation many people are in.

And yes I also realize the counter argument to this, which is that it instead drives up health care costs for all, to accommodate those who can't pay.

This may be at least another partial Trump win, even if the rest of the law is kept. Good on the Justice Department for allowing this to proceed, and let the chips fall where they may! Keep in mind that despite the "legal precedent" mentioned in the article, they still might void the entire act and start over.

originally posted by: TrueAmerican
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This may be at least another partial Trump win, even if the rest of the law is kept. Good on the Justice Department for allowing this to proceed, and let the chips fall where they may! Keep in mind that despite the "legal precedent" mentioned in the article, they still might void the entire act and start over.

Wife and I take the penalty...which overall? %age wise...it's cheaper than having Obamacare....60-70% cheaper

a reply to: TrueAmerican

The DOJ previously argued in court that the law's pre-existing condition protections should be struck down. Now, the administration argues the entire law should be invalidated.

Another campaign promise broken.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

but no collusion or obstruction
muller got squat

and that promise still has time to be fulfilled

Actually, it is having to pay for mandatory coverage that is the problem. People are just making it financially without having to pay premiums for healthcare they don't need most times. We need to just clean up the price gouging and unnecessary tests and procedures in our healthcare system and then get socialized medicine for necessary things. Not cosmetic surgery, not dental stuff, not contact lenses. Not tests and procedures that are not really needed. People can buy coverage on their own for this kind of extra stuff.

I can see a socialized medical plan covering plastic surgery from a severe burning incident, but not cosmetic surgery to make people look better. I can't see it paying for breast implants after breast cancer, but people can buy policies for that, or just pay on their own. A lot of socially accepted medical procedures are done which do not need to be done, people want them. There is so much deceiption in the medical field it makes me sick. Drug companies advertising their products makes me ill, they are trying to belittle the side effects, often the side effects are way worse than what you are treated for. Most times small alterations to the diet can correct the problems that people need medicines for, and it is not what people think, sometimes eating something considered healthy is causing the problem. But most doctors are not trained to try to correct metabolic intolerance, they give medicines to cancel out symptoms of the metabolic intolerance.

Obamacare sucks, it was set up with input from the medical industry that was trying to grow their businesses and dependence in medicine by the population. It is alchemy at it's worse when you get up into the upper part of medicine, doctors are not being trained to correct things, only treat symptoms.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Deflection....sigh. You're so predictable.

Trump promised, again and again, to protect those with pre-existing conditions.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

guess you dont understand how this president thingy works
he will be in office until at least jan of 2021
lots of time left
especially now that the cloud has been lifted from off his administration.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

Deflection....sigh. You're so predictable.

Trump promised, again and again, to protect those with pre-existing conditions.

He can simply write an EO that will be challenged in court 😎

I think somebody screwed up when they passed the original PPACA because a few things got chopped by the SCOTUS.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: TrueAmerican

The DOJ previously argued in court that the law's pre-existing condition protections should be struck down. Now, the administration argues the entire law should be invalidated.

Another campaign promise broken.

Well it's too early to tell. This is the beginning phases.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised either way, I don't put much trust into politicians. Obama said "you can keep your own doctor". I'm surprised it's made it this long to be honest though. I don't know how the government can force you to consume a private product or get penalized.

a reply to: shooterbrody

guess you dont understand how this president thingy works

What is this 5D chess playing stable genius' plan for Health Care, especially for those with pre-existing conditions?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

Deflection....sigh. You're so predictable.

Trump promised, again and again, to protect those with pre-existing conditions.

Obama took away health insurance for millions, but also fined those same people for not being able to afford insurance because of the policies put in place exploded the price. Trump can’t lose with health insurance because it doesn’t get any worse than it already is.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Well it's too early to tell. This is the beginning phases.

Not it's not. This is round 2. Trump didn't have a plan in place when they held the vote to repeal the ACA when Senator McCain voted the repeal down.

He still doesn't have a plan in place.

a reply to: Middleoftheroad

Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of people who claim that the ACA saved their lives.

We never had coverage in the US. Went to check into subsidized coverage in Louisiana because the law mandated it; was told we were (literally, not figuratively literally but literally literally) too "poor" to qualify for subsidy. We were exempt from the penalty. (I was self-employed and found myself in a financial place where making more money would have ended up costing me more money and it was hardly worth upping my income because the govt would've taken it with this penalty and other taxes.)

We live in Mexico now. We have full private coverage at around $200usd/month, $1,800usd deductible and emergency coverage outside of Mexico. There is good healthcare here. My daughter was recently tested for a bacterial infection and everything (consultations, lab work, medicine) came to around $100usd (cash) at a very reputable private clinic.

Oops!

originally posted by: incoserv
Oops!

I am pretty sure that is a Finnish word, the old Finns around here used to use it all the time.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

guess you dont understand how this president thingy works

What is this 5D chess playing stable genius' plan for Health Care, especially for those with pre-existing conditions?

nope
just still time for him to fulfill his promises
seems time is a fluid concept for some

a reply to: shooterbrody

He still needs a plan to pitch, and he doesn't have one.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

He still needs a plan to pitch, and he doesn't have one.

really
you know this how?

originally posted by: incoserv
We never had coverage in the US. Went to check into subsidized coverage in Louisiana because the law mandated it; was told we were (literally, not figuratively literally but literally literally) too "poor" to qualify for subsidy. We were exempt from the penalty. (I was self-employed and found myself in a financial place where making more money would have ended up costing me more money and it was hardly worth upping my income because the govt would've taken it with this penalty and other taxes.)

We live in Mexico now. We have full private coverage at around $200usd/month, $1,800usd deductible and emergency coverage outside of Mexico. There is good healthcare here. My daughter was recently tested for a bacterial infection and everything (consultations, lab work, medicine) came to around $100usd (cash) at a very reputable private clinic.

It didn't used to cost an arm and a leg to go to the doctor or emergency room before. The doctor did not send you to three specialists and multiple tests that were not necessary either, simple operations were done at the office, testing was cheap those days. Greed got into the system and prices really have skyrocketed. Changes to the way that Insurance companies are compensated led to extra unneeded tests being allowed. This actually occurred before Obamacare, but after Obamacare it took off like crazy.