President Trump Deep Intelligence Asset Since the 80s?

a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

So , the Obvious Clues to a Clinton /Russian Collusion Connection are to be Ignored here in Favor of the Continued Political Bashing of a Man Not Convicted ?

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

So , the Obvious Clues to a Clinton /Russian Collusion Connection are to be Ignored here in Favor of the Continued Political Bashing of a Man Not Convicted ?

What on earth depicted here gives you the impression I'm bashing the man?

I'm trying to show this whole thing has been a distraction and he's been working as a deep asset for quite some time. That they knew terrible crimes had been committed and patriots needed to take back the country.

I think Trump was selected to be that man and I'm trying to show circumstantial evidence and theory to make my argument.

Clinton couldn't win.

More.

Washington Post, Sept 2016

Donald Trump listened skeptically as his labor consultant bragged in early 1981 about connections to New York’s underworld.
Daniel Sullivan, who dealt with labor problems at Trump’s construction sites, was a 42-year-old giant of a man with great charm and a criminal record. He told Trump he was tight not only with leaders of unions, some of them fronts for the mob, but also with the FBI.
Trump was dubious. “He was . . . a big storyteller,” Trump recently told The Washington Post. “He portrayed himself to be the closest person on earth to the FBI.”

It turned out Sullivan was telling the truth. One day in April 1981, he walked into Trump’s Manhattan office with two men in suits. They were FBI agents, and they wanted to talk to Trump about organized crime.

Trump welcomed them in.

That meeting came at a pivotal time early in Trump’s career, when he was trying to establish himself as a Manhattan developer and Atlantic City casino operator.

Recall April of 1981 is when the FBI memo was written, so this is the time Trump was having the FBI put together an "undercover proposal" for his upcoming casino in Atlantic City which would break ground in June of 1982. Source

www.nytimes.com...

Daniel P. Sullivan, a former Federal Bureau of Investigation agent who helped track down John Dillinger and later had a long career fighting organized crime in Miami, died Sunday of heart failure. He was 76 years old and lived in Miami.

A native of Washington and a graduate of Georgetown University there, Mr. Sullivan joined the F.B.I. in 1932 and worked for 10 years in San Francisco, New York, El Paso and Chicago.

... Mr. Sullivan left the investigation bureau in 1942 and went into the private security business in Miami. By the late 1940's, he had become a recognized authority on major organized crime figures, having compiled the most thorough set of files on criminals in the Southeast.

...In his crusade, he announced the names of suspected racketeers and corrupt government officials in speeches and on Miami radio stations on a program called ''The Sinister Blot.''

Mr. Sullivan later presented evidence on organized crime activities to the United States Senate, which helped bring about the hearings on organized crime led by Senator Estes Kefauver in 1950 in Miami.

This is the man who introduced Trump to the FBI and set up their initial discussions only a little over a year before Trump would break ground on his Atlantic City casino, and Daniel Sullivan would pass away.

It would be a two-year investigation started by federal prosecutor NY Rudy Guiliani in 1983-85 which would bring arrests to all five mob families.

And people are still speculating why Trump/Guiliani such good friends for decades.

Perhaps these early close ties have something to do with it?

originally posted by: ucanthandlethetruth

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

So , the Obvious Clues to a Clinton /Russian Collusion Connection are to be Ignored here in Favor of the Continued Political Bashing of a Man Not Convicted ?

What on earth depicted here gives you the impression I'm bashing the man?

I'm trying to show this whole thing has been a distraction and he's been working as a deep asset for quite some time. That they knew terrible crimes had been committed and patriots needed to take back the country.

I think Trump was selected to be that man and I'm trying to show circumstantial evidence and theory to make my argument.

Clinton couldn't win.

I've always thought Trump was selected but never knew quite how.

This is an excellent thread and connects a lot of dots.

Good job. 😎🚬

I don't think Donald Trump is a guy who has been helped along by shadowy figures in the government, which is something I would attribute to Zuckerburg and Facebook, who are completely opposed to Trump and his vision of America.

I would rather think that the Donald Trump presidency is one of perseverance against seemingly insurmountable odds, rather than another tool of the status quo, even if that tool was being wielded by a less sinister force than the opposition.

But, what you say is interesting, so lets run with it. Supposing it were true, and this has all been part of an elaborate sting.

What would the next step be?

originally posted by: snarfbot


What would the next step be?

They permitted Paul Manafort into the Trump campaign without warning him the FBI was investigating him for his pro-Russia Ukraine group lobbying work since 2014. But it seems someone did...

They name Russians tied to Trump, but they are also tied to Clinton. In many cases, more tied.

If it was all a psyop to get the guilty parties to unmask themselves and now the Russia Russia Russia mantras turns into an investigation of the actual Russian collusion during the Obama-Clinton era "Russian reset" period, (Uranium One and Skolkovo) then all of this would make more sense to me.

So yeah, if the next step becomes turn in the investigation into a counter-investigation, I will be more convinced Trump was selected to put on this show for the masses to help root out corrupted government officials (past and present).

Time will tell.

originally posted by: ucanthandlethetruth

originally posted by: snarfbot


What would the next step be?

They permitted Paul Manafort into the Trump campaign without warning him the FBI was investigating him for his pro-Russia Ukraine group lobbying work since 2014. But it seems someone did...

They name Russians tied to Trump, but they are also tied to Clinton. In many cases, more tied.

If it was all a psyop to get the guilty parties to unmask themselves and now the Russia Russia Russia mantras turns into an investigation of the actual Russian collusion during the Obama-Clinton era "Russian reset" period, (Uranium One and Skolkovo) then all of this would make more sense to me.

So yeah, if the next step becomes turn in the investigation into a counter-investigation, I will be more convinced Trump was selected to put on this show for the masses to help root out corrupted government officials (past and present).

Time will tell.

The thing is you cant really tell if that outcome was the result of a deliberate sting, or just what happens as a matter of course when crimes are uncovered.

originally posted by: [post=24280466]snarfbot

The thing is you cant really tell if that outcome was the result of a deliberate sting, or just what happens as a matter of course when crimes are uncovered.

No, that’s accurate. Just too much info coming out for one not to critically question...

Here you have FELIX SATER, often labeled pre-2019 as some kind of Russian mobster stating now that he’s been a deep intel asset from 1998 to present.

FBI Director Mueller’s term was 2001-13.

So the entire time Mueller was FBI Director, Sater was an FBI deep informant working in the murky Russian waters of organized crime and money laundering. An office at Trump Tower. A business card at one time stating he was a Senior Counsel to Trump. Says Trump was aware of his work.

Multiple hundreds of articles linking circumstantial evidence of Trump laundering money for Russians.

Yet Mueller says no collusion.

What is one supposed to then critically speculate?

Either Trump is a Russian kingpin and we are to believe Mueller doesn’t care... OR....

(Continuing)

In a recuse motion argument filed on 11/19/2012, the following is provided detailing an incredibly angry lawyer requesting the Judge in the Felix Sater case recuse himself.

Recuse Motion - Sater

For the sake of those involved, they had better hope they have and will produce upon subpoena a very high-level DOJ authorization for that, specifically noting that Sater was authorized to participate in multi-billion dollar notional frauds as a top echelon level informant – and as concealment fraud and conspiracy are ongoing crimes they had better hope that’s open-ended, as it should be self-evident that if it’s a crime to hide your conviction and misuse the sealing to facilitate it, it’s a crime to conspire to do so or to aid and abet it or act to conceal it (ask the Mayer Brown partner just convicted of securities fraud for helping REFCO hide its corrupt books) and operation of an association in fact pursuant to a scheme to do so, a single scheme, let alone the others we’re uncovering in the Eastern District, see supplement, creates a cause of action in enterprise corruption).

Perhaps they reached such an agreement with you to throw the case against us in one of the many secret ex parte proceedings we’ve just found out about. Perhaps they didn’t. It doesn’t matter, because if you wish to testify they did not, you are a fact witness and off the bench; and in any event, no sane person, let alone objective, informed person, would believe anything other than the apparent possibility of this court’s active, collusive, criminal participation in what our coming amendment hereto will detail more fully is enterprise corruption, including its cover-up, the only question how far and to what extent it suffuses the Eastern District and the former AUSA’s there now in private practice.

Even more interesting is yet another Motion, this one from Forbes Media Group and Richard Behar, arguing the public has a right to view the sealed court case proceedings for Felix Sater due to his alleged close ties to the then Donald Trump presidential candidate.

Forbes Media Group - Motion to Intervene

Through this motion, Forbes and Behar (together, “Intervenors”) seek to vindicate the public’s right of access to the record in this proceeding, which includes documents critical to understanding a story of pressing political consequence: President Donald Trump’s connection to Felix H. Sater, who is well known as a conduit to Russian oligarchs and organized crime. For example, on February 19, 2017, The New York Times reported that, just after President Trump’s inauguration, Sater played a key role in funneling a Kremlin-approved, back-channel proposal for a Ukraine-Russia peace deal through President Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, to then-national security adviser Michael T. Flynn. See Langford Decl. Ex. D. The nature of Sater’s connection to President Trump’s inner circle, however, is far from clear. From 2003 to 2010, Sater worked directly with Mr. Trump and the Trump Organization on real-estate development deals around the world out of an office in Trump Tower. By 2010, Sater’s business card identified Sater as a “senior advisor” to Mr. Trump. Yet in 2013, Mr. Trump testified that he wouldn’t recognize Sater if he were in the same room. That testimony, however, is contradicted by substantiated reports evidencing the relationship between Mr. Trump and Sater

Then-Attorney General Nominee Lynch explained that, under the agreement, Sater worked with the U.S. Attorney’s Offices for the Southern and Eastern Districts of New York and the F.B.I., “providing information crucial to national security and the conviction of over 20 individuals, including those responsible for committing massive financial fraud and members of La Cosa Nostra.

He also reportedly cooperated with the C.I.A. to track down Stinger missiles on the weapons black market in Central Asia.

...Just last fall, Sater himself explained that his cooperation included purchasing missiles in Afghanistan; “play[ing] a major role in President Clinton’s bombing of [Osama bin Laden’s] camp in ’98”; and hunting down terrorist operatives and coordinating bombing targets in Afghanistan after 9/11.

This filing from Forbes Media LLC outlines the public evidence highlighting Sater's involvement with Trump from 2003 to 2008 under the Bayrock name and Trump SoHo.

To Be Continued...

Over the next five years, Bayrock, Sater, and the Trump Organization executed real-estate licensing deals all over the country during which time Sater “met with Trump and Trump’s staff ‘on a constant basis’ to discuss possible deals." By 2007, Bayrock reportedly had helped finance more than $2 billion worth of Trump-branded deals. The public record shows that Bayrock and Sater helped the Trump Organization tap into funds connected to Russian investors to fund those deals. Sater and Bayrock, for instance, helped lead the development of Trump SoHo, “broker[ing] a $50 million investmentby an Icelandic firm preferred by wealthy Russians ‘in favor with’ President Vladimir V. Putin." According to Mr. Trump, Bayrock also brought potential Russian investors to Trump’s office to discuss deals all over the world, including “Trump International Hotel and Tower Moscow, Kiev, Istanbul, etc., Poland, Warsaw.” In 2005, the Trump Organization entered a 5 one-year deal with Bayrock to develop a project in Moscow. Sater, in turn, “located a group of interested Russian investors, as well as a possible site for a luxury high-rise.” In addition, Sater accompanied Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. to Moscow in 2006, where they stayed at the Hotel National Moscow opposite the Kremlin and “connect[ed] with potential partners over the course of several days.” Sater later testified that, after trips to Russia, he would “pop [his] head into Mr. Trump’s office and tell him, you know, ‘Moving forward on the Moscow deal.’ And he would say, ‘All right.’” Sater eventually left Bayrock and joined the Trump Organization in 2010. There, Mr. Trump “allowed Sater to use a business card identifying himself as a senior advisor to the Trump Organization.” Although Sater apparently left the Trump Organization shortly thereafter, he is reported to have been working on a plan for a Trump Tower Moscow as recently as the fall of 2015.

In the now publically available transcript, an Assistant U.S. Attorney confirms Sater’s cooperation with the government, providing even greater detail: [Sater’s] cooperation was of an extraordinary depth and breadth, almost unseen, at least in this United States Attorney’s Office. He cooperated, unlike some cooperators who cooperate within one type of organized crime family or over one type of crime, [Sater]’s cooperation runs a gamut that is seldom seen. It involves violent organizations such as Al Qaeda, it involves foreign governments, it involves Russian organized crime. And, most particularly, it involves various families of La Cosa Nostra. By that specifically I mean an individual on the ruling board of the Genovese crime family, a captain in the Bonanno crime family, a soldier in the Gambino crime family, the list goes on and on. . . .

Now, at the time of the sealing in 1998 and through the beginning of 2008, [Sater] worked in a proactive capacity actively
aiding grand jury investigations that involved surreptitious recordings of individuals as well as other undercover actions.
. . .
And his cooperation was not just the type of cooperation not to be noticed. It shut down an enterprise that shut off the valve to tens of millions of dollars.

In Exhibit E on p. 95 of the Motion, there is additional information provided regarding Felix which is interesting.

Sater, a Brooklyn resident like Arif, was born in Russia in 1966. He reportedly emigrated with his family to the United States in the mid-1970s and settled in “Little Odessa.” It seems that his father, Mikhael Sheferovsky (aka Michael Sater), may have been engaged in Russian mob activity before he arrived in the United States. According to a certified U.S. Supreme Court petition, Felix Sater’s FBI handler stated that he “was well familiar with the crimes of Sater and his (Sater’s) father, a (Semion) Mogilevich crime syndicate boss.” A 1998 FBI report reportedly said Mogilevich’s organization had “approximately 250 members,” and was involved in trafficking nuclear materials, weapons, and more, as well as money laundering. (See below.) But Michael Sater may have been less ambitious than his son. His only reported U.S. criminal conviction came in 2000, when he pled guilty to two felony counts for extorting Brooklyn restaurants, grocery stores, and clinics. He was released with three years’ probation. Interestingly, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York who handled that case at the time was Loretta Lynch, who succeeded Eric Holder as U.S. Attorney General in 2014. Back in 2000, she was also overseeing a budding informant relationship and a plea bargain with Michael’s son Felix, which may help to explain the father’s sentence.

With the understanding the FBI was aware of the parallels between Russian organized crime, Semion Mogilevich and funding of weapons or whatever for terrorism, they had established the FBI Budapest Office and a task force focused solely on the Semion Mogilevich Organization. This is back in 2000. New York Times, Feb 2000

Continued....

I've drawn a parallel to Trump engaging the FBI through source Daniel Sullivan, a true American patriot, to his long friendship with Rudy Guiliani from the early 1980s and Rudy's takedown of the mob five families.

I've drawn a parallel between Trump suggesting "full cooperation" and "full disclosure" during the construction phase of his Atlantic City casino, from 1981 on. The charges involved the concrete union president. We know Trump used concrete in his casino which was considered unusual. Source

-Ralph Scopo, 57, a soldier in the Colombo family and former president of the concrete workers union who faces 306 years.

April 7, 1987 Source

The Division, as part of its continuing investigation, has monitored the status of a federal racketeering indictment which alleges, among other things,· that sixteen defendants, named therein, arranged for S & A Concrete Company, Inc. ( "S & A Concrete) and its affiliates to be the main beneficiaries of a bid-rigging scheme. The indictment alleges that S & A Concrete was secretly mmed by Nicholas Auletta, an associate of the Genovese crime family, Anthony Salerno, the boss of the Genovese crime family, who are named as defendants in the indictment, and others. As concerns the scheme, the indictment alleges that the defendants conspired to determine which concrete construction companies would be permitted to bid for concrete superstructure construction subcontracts, valued at more than $2 1 000,000, ;.. in the Borough of Manhattan. The indictment further alleges that the defendants determined which concrete construction company would be permitted to obtain the subcontract in advance of the opening of bids for sixteen concrete superstructure construction projects. The defendants, according to the indictment, were able to enforce their bid-rigging by threatening stoppage of the concrete supply to the various concrete superstructure job contractors. The indictment specifically identifies one of those projects as being Trump Plaza, Trump's luxury cooperative apartment complex located at 167 E. 61st Street, New York City, New York. The matter, at this time, is pending trial.

There is now a parallel shown between Felix Sater allegedly doing some rather nefarious work in his deep FBI/CIA role undercover in Russian organized crime, who worked closely with Trump from 2003 to at least 2010, if not up until after his election in 2016. AND THE WHOLE TIME FELIX IS DOING ALL OF THIS WORK, ROBERT MUELLER WAS DIRECTOR OF THE FBI.

Anyone feeling played yet? What kind of psy-op have we all been under?

a reply to: ucanthandlethetruth

More Liberal conspiracies. That's all this is. More bunk trying to associate Trump with Russia. We all know now where your 30 million dollars in tax money went...into the garbage along with any chance of a Liberal getting in the White House this next election. Anyone who believed the MSM's Russian Collusion story must have one of the cleanest brains on earth. It's certainly been washed enough by CNN and MSNBC.

I am going to make a prediction right now and ANYONE is welcome to pull this as a reference and rub my face in it if I am wrong. Trump...WILL BE...the President in the next term as well. It doesn't matter in the least what the Democrats do. It's already a done deal. I WANT you all to remember this prediction and I WANT YOU TO rub my nose in it...if I am wrong. (But I'm not)

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Dude, I'm suggesting he's been a white hat for decades so I literally have no clue where you are coming from with your reply.

I still have a lot more to add here as I get time. I got a new puppy and he’s of course a handful.

But I wanted to add this while I’m thinking of it. This article from FAR-LEFT Think Progress made me laugh.
Link to Think Progress article

Keep in mind this article was written two years ago, when the Mueller investigation was supposed to get Trump.
I recommend reading it in full. You gotta love their deranged optimism and detachment from reality. But here’s an excerpt:

The Financial Times reported Thursday morning that Felix Sater, former business partner of President Donald Trump with deep ties to the Mafia and Russian government, is cooperating in an international investigation into an alleged money-laundering network.

They then go on to breathlessly report the Mueller team is investigating all these ties. We now know how that turned out.

Trump KNEW Felix was a deep cover informant. These articles are written as though everything Felix has done since he met Trump and had his Bayrock office in Trump Tower is launder money through Trump SoHo properties, and with money from Russia and Kazakhstan. As if he wanted to go to jail, NOT that he was part of an undercover sting. We have the Russian interview Sater gave [11.15.16] where he says Trump knew and was “very proud” of his work for the government hunting filth. (Russian interview link, you have to use Google Translate) Link

Even the Financial Times (pay wall so not bothering with linky) did an article about how Felix is now “cooperating” on the Kazakh money laundering of billions, what is being referred to as the largest global money laundering network they’ve ever seen.

What is amusing about these articles is their presumption of a level of stupidity we know Trump does not have, and a blatant laundering of money by his “associate” Sater which he, Trump, was unaware of or turning a blind eye to, knowing there was an end plan in mind.

Which is more likely? Trump knew Sater was an informant and this global money network tied to trafficking was laundering money into his branded properties and they were trying to gather and help accumulate enough dirt in this huge sting operation to get these guys? Recall this whole OP would have started before Trump even ran for President. Sater began laundering this money allegedly when Khrapunov fled to Geneva in 2008.

Or is it more likely Trump is under investigation by Sater and did illegal stuff permitting money laundering using his brand and didn’t think Sater would inform on him? If you knew your associate guy was a deep level informant, would you allow illegal traceable laundering activity to occur for years associated with your Trump brand? That’s what the Left wants you to believe. This was all some Sater con on Trump to investigate him. Well, their story lacks credibility.

Mueller said no collusion yet the media goes crazy over Sater Trump, these lawsuits, and implications Trump on Sater’s behavior. A guy they know Loretta Lynch already testified about and gave quite a helluva recommendation to; a guy who’s known for hooking us up with five of bin Ladens phone numbers.

I believe Sater, with Trumps silent backing, has been going after these murky treacherous big sea waters of money laundering tied to TRAFFICKING (anyone follow Q?) and the reason Mueller found no Trump collusion is equally obvious: they know Sater was doing this the whole time and it’s documented (my own assumption) by his handler. And they know Trump believed he was helping the government, not the Russians or Russian organized crime.

To give you an idea of Sater’s alleged wrongdoings tied to this Kazakhstan money laundering network:
Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Network [url=https://www.occrp.org/en/investigations/8248-steppe-to-soho-how-millions-linked-to-kazakhstan-mega-fraud-case-ended-up-in-trump-property]Link[/ur l]

The documents and interviews provide a detailed account of the money’s winding global trail — via offshore shell companies and a bank linked to terrorism financing — into the United States. Its origin can be traced to a single stash of roughly $440 million connected to a notorious fraud case involving Kazakhstani billionaire Mukhtar Ablyazov. Last year, the fugitive banker was sentenced in absentia to 20 years in prison by a Kazakh court on charges that included embezzling billions of dollars from the country’s BTA Bank, which he formerly headed.

... Documents filed in court show that, between 2012 and 2014, Ilyas and Elvira were helped with their U.S. investments by Felix Sater, the former Trump advisor, and another former Trump Organization employee, Daniel Ridloff.

Again, Loretta Lynch testified on his behalf in 2015. It would be illogical and stupid to think or assume Felix Sater is still operating as a deep undercover asset with no handler. They had to KNOW what he was doing and signing off on it. They had to gather evidence. Now Sater is being sued like a criminal, as if he did ok this without at least some in the FBI award of it, and his closeness to Trump. Who also knew since early 2000s Sater was an informant and he was “very proud.”

Get it yet? Also, again as a reminder Mueller was FBI Director 2001-2013. The notion he wouldn’t know who Sater is, or his invaluable help in the past, is silly.

people trying to make excuses for all of Trumps past(present) and future behavior as him being an intelligence agent to gather information on the "Deep State" is further participating on the level of Lunacy surrounding Trump's idolatry

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
people trying to make excuses for all of Trumps past(present) and future behavior as him being an intelligence agent to gather information on the "Deep State" is further participating on the level of Lunacy surrounding Trump's idolatry

So you literally believe :

1. Trump had a deep level FBI informant Felix Sater working with him on Trump branded properties since circa 2003, and knew this according to a Sater interview with Russia, and was "very proud" of Sater; but
2. Continued to allow Sater to launder money through properties using his brand while he knew he would one day likely run for President
3. No leaks through a very contentious and crazy 2016 election of Trump EVER being investigated for any wrongdoing by any agency

And your conclusion is he [Trump] must be a Russian organized crime kingpin that Mueller, a Purple Heart Marine who swore a lifetime oath to defend this country, is colluding or at least silently standing by while Barr permits a Russian colluder to remain in office. Yeah, sure, that makes more sense.