Trump on Otto Warmbier's death: Kim Jong Un wasn't to blame

he gave little kim another pass... his mental cult followers move the goal post... again.

well at least now trump can say he is a 'vietnam veteran' . 😎

a reply to: links234

2 months ago, a new neighbor moved next door to me. He approached me about a week after he moved in and told me my dog was snapping at his kids. I know this is a lie and I know that because she never snapped at anyone. If anything, she growled at his kids for poking at her or kicking her. He told a couple of other people in my small town (which I've lived in since 1985) that he'd kill my dog for it. When he approached me, he never told me that, and I told him that she would never snap or growl at a human unless she was heavily provoked. That night was the last night I saw her. He had the nerve to stop in front of my driveway a couple days later and ask me if I'd done something with her. I looked at him and said "You're the one who went around saying you were gonna kill her" and he told me he swore he didn't do anything to her.

What can you do? I can't prove he killed my dog even though I 100% feel that he did, or had someone else do it, so my exact words to him were "Well I can't prove you did it so I have to take your word that you didn't."

I had two choices.

Make the situation a ticking time bomb by killing this redneck's dog and/or calling him a liar,

Or diffuse the entire thing since I didn't have evidence.

I would've rather made it into a ticking time bomb, but I have two other dogs and a family that is home without me sometimes, including 4 boys between the ages of 10 and 16 that stay there alone during the Summer when me and my wife are at work. So you see, I didn't diffuse the situation for myself, I diffused it for the safety of my family.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: links234

Who said Kim made personally the decisions that lead to Otto's death? He died still under his regime. And that makes Kim responsible either way. This just shows the stupidity of the president for asking the question.
And this thread will show some awesome mental gymnastics by the boot licking fanboys grab'em-by-the-pussy has on ATs trying to make it sound "right/winning". Which is the really depressing part.

The depression is all in your head, it's been there since 2016.

originally posted by: knoxie
just like he "believed" putin over our intel.

god damn, he's a puss.

wonder how otto's parents are feeling.. remember when he brought them out? i'd be livid.

Then you don't understand how to keep certain situations diffused and it would be a good idea that you're never in a situation like that because you would cause more issues than needed.

a reply to: links234

I think Trump was being diplomatic , of course Kim is ultimately responsible for Warmbier's death but Trump can't say that for fear of alienating him , it's politics.

a reply to: LSU2018


what do you think would have happened if he said he didn't believe him.


it's quite a bit different from your story - kim had this boy in his custody.

a reply to: links234

His preset is to believe the offender... always.
How many times do we have to hear it.
Rob Porter- I believe him.
Roy Moore- I believe him.
Vladimir Putin- I believe him
Kim Jung Un- I believe him.

originally posted by: LSU2018
Make the situation a ticking time bomb by killing this redneck's dog and/or calling him a liar...

His dog dosen't deserve to die, him on the other hand.

Let me tell you how it works up her in Jers. You go on vacation, I dig a hole, you come back, problem solved.

One day I give you a call and let you know when it's my turn to go on vacay. Other problem solved.

You're a better person than me, if someone killed one of my dogs I'd being looking for payback.

Otto was probably tortured, but there's no reason to suspect Kim Jong Un personally knew that it was happening. It was probably some camp worker. That's kindof like saying Trump automatically has personal knowledge of a US prison inmate being murdered by corrupt corrections officers.

originally posted by: trollz

Otto was probably tortured, but there's no reason to suspect Kim Jong Un personally knew that it was happening. It was probably some camp worker.

There's no reason to suspect Adolph knew about Mengele's experiments, he was just some camp worker.

Warmbier was an idiot for going there but I find it highly unliekly that Fat Leader didnt know an American was captured and had knowledge of what was transpriring. This is the same guy who had a relative executed via anti-aircraft gun by choice.

Regardless of what Trump has to say on the matter, I question whether NK really had anything to do with Warmbier's death too.

Think about it....Warmbier was the perfect hostage. He was young, not a religious zealot, not a Korean, not bent on undermining the regime, just a tourist who allegedly did something stupid and got in trouble. Why torture him and/or put his life in danger??? It doesn't make sense. He was a priceless bargaining chip for NK. His healthy repatriation would have been the Holy Grail of political moves for NK. There was a new President in office in the US, and this was a perfect opportunity to make gigantic leaps forward on the World stage for NK. His return in a coma was a major strike against NK, not for them.

No, something else happened to Otto Warmbier. He saw something he wasn't supposed to see, or he crossed paths with someone who wasn't supposed to be there, or he discovered someone who wasn't who they were supposed to be. Otto Warmbier could never be allowed to utter a word in the free world. He was silenced. It may have happened in NK, but I'd bet dollars to donuts the NK's didn't have anything to do with it. Why would they? He was their Golden Goose.

I'm certain there were orders all the way from Kim himself to absolutely ensure he was protected, safe and well taken care of. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see the value of a hostage like Warmbier, not even Kim is that hard headed.

I've looked into this quite a bit, and there are a number of things which don't add up...don't add up at all!

For one thing, ask yourself this simple question...why did they fly directly from NK to Alaska? If Warmbier was in a coma, and so critically ill, why not stop in Japan and get him into some of the most advanced care on the planet? Why go to AK? Further, if you're bent on taking him home to Ohio, then why not put him on an aircraft which can actually fly to Cincinnati? Why stop in AK (obviously to refuel the Gulfstream he was on)? They could just as easily stopped at Kadena AFB in Okinawa and transferred him to a flight which could go non-stop to Ohio. And why Ohio at all? University Hospital in Cincinnati is a good hospital, but they are FAR from being one of the World's best treatment facilities. Why?

Why? Why? Why? There are so many questions surrounding the Warmbier incident, so many things which don't make sense. Again, whatever happened to Warmbier might have begun in NK, but it wasn't at the hands of the North Koreans. More likely is some intelligence service didn't want him talking...ever. Whatever he uncovered, likely by accident, was big and keeping it from being exposed was worth more than Warmbier's life.

Think about it.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: links234

Who said Kim made personally the decisions that lead to Otto's death? He died still under his regime. And that makes Kim responsible either way. This just shows the stupidity of the president for asking the question.
And this thread will show some awesome mental gymnastics by the boot licking fanboys grab'em-by-the-pussy has on ATs trying to make it sound "right/winning". Which is the really depressing part.

So what happens if you have the most liberal, peaceful utopian government the world has ever seen, and some mayor beats someone to death? Is that mayor's actions the fault of that liberal government for allowing a mayor position to exist? No, it's the fault of the mayor.
What's funny is how (people of certain political affiliations) seem to have an aversion to personal responsibility. If you do something wrong, it's your fault, not somebody else's.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Yea the biggest clue i seen was how the doctors and the media were on the same page with the claims of torture yet there was no physical signs of torture and then they immediately burned his body without autopsy even though federal law states that he was supposed to undergo such even beyond the families request in this particular case.

Good luck trying to inject logic round here.....

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Warmbier was an idiot for going there but I find it highly unliekly that Fat Leader didnt know an American was captured and had knowledge of what was transpriring. This is the same guy who had a relative executed via anti-aircraft gun by choice.

I'm sure he did know Otto Warmbier had been arrested, even where he was being kept. That'd be an important thing to know. But it's entirely possible he had no idea that Otto was being mistreated at all. I certainly wouldn't want to be the guard who accidentally kills Kim Jong Un's bargaining chip with the US.

originally posted by: trollz
But it's entirely possible he had no idea that Otto was being mistreated at all.

It's possible, about as possible as Fatty Boombah passing up a couple hamburgers, Remy cognac and some hookers.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


is it beyong the scope of possiblity he saw something there and that's why they killed him?

originally posted by: knoxie
a reply to: LSU2018


what do you think would have happened if he said he didn't believe him.


it's quite a bit different from your story - kim had this boy in his custody.

Because we know NK did this, but we don't know if Un was involved in it or not so telling him he did wouldn't help diffuse anything. It would only make matters worse. It doesn't matter anyways because the media would bash Trump for not believing Un if Trump had called him a liar, and they would say Trump just made things much worse than they should've been. I only told my story because it's relative in the reason you don't point your finger at a potentially deadly enemy without definitive proof.

a reply to: LSU2018




he told him he beleived him because otherwise democrats would have bashed him - that's your answer?

jesus, that's pathetic.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LSU2018
Make the situation a ticking time bomb by killing this redneck's dog and/or calling him a liar...

His dog dosen't deserve to die, him on the other hand.

Let me tell you how it works up her in Jers. You go on vacation, I dig a hole, you come back, problem solved.

One day I give you a call and let you know when it's my turn to go on vacay. Other problem solved.

You're a better person than me, if someone killed one of my dogs I'd being looking for payback.

I feel the same way, but I'm not gonna jeopardize my family's well being over it. If I was still a bachelor then this would have gone a lot different. He's aware that this is a "don't talk to me and I won't talk to you" thing now. A couple of summers ago, this dude was my cable guy before he moved next door so he's been all around my house inside and out. It would be easy to sabotage something or toss some antifreeze over the fence to take out my Australian Shepherd. It's best to let it go and wait. I'm a patient man.

It's almost inevitable that something's gonna happen at his house soon enough and I'll just sit back and watch. Killing my dog is something I'll never forget. I can remember when I was about 8 years old, a man in my neighborhood shot my dad's dog and if it hadn't been for my mom stopping him, he would've gone over there and shot that guy and his dogs. Earlier that year, the same guy grabbed our dog and locked him in a cage with 2 pit bulls. My dad's always been good natured and has a fuse a mile long, but pushing the right button sets him off. I'm the same way.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: trollz

Otto was probably tortured, but there's no reason to suspect Kim Jong Un personally knew that it was happening. It was probably some camp worker.

There's no reason to suspect Adolph knew about Mengele's experiments, he was just some camp worker.

Warmbier was an idiot for going there but I find it highly unliekly that Fat Leader didnt know an American was captured and had knowledge of what was transpriring. This is the same guy who had a relative executed via anti-aircraft gun by choice.

But it can't be proven. We all point the finger at Un but we really don't know. It's just an easy assumption.