Beyond Bigelow & BAASS, After AATIP and on To the Stars...

originally posted by: 1ofthe9

originally posted by: vlawde
I've been seeing a lot of this Prasad on Twitter lately, I believe UFO Jesus retweets him a lot. What he posts is interesting but I have no idea if he's full of @^%t or what. Who is this guy, just someone random tweeting about disclosure, or is he directly involved in any way?

He runs a quantum computing start up in Toronto. My best guess as to what's going on with him: enthusiast who is now being fed a line of goods. Went from zero to total immersion real fast.

ReactiveQ is currently working with engineers from Lockheed Martin, TESLA and NASA. These specific companies could offer a lot in terms of ideas of reverse engineering or better understanding new technology, which begs the question was this a mutually beneficial undertaking that possibly can tie in with  advanced "foreign" technology? 

“I can't comment on the advanced ‘foreign’ technology aspect, but what I can say is that everything my company does in the eyes of the public in the near future will be 100 percent strictly related to terrestrial non-’foreign’ projects,”



www.punkrockandufos.com...

a reply to: IMSAM

Watching them atm,will return with a rundown on whats in them in a while

Please do.

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originally posted by: coursecatalog
Steve Bassett turns on TTSA. That's it, he's off Zondo's Christmas list.

paradigmresearchgroup.org...

The sixth episode of Unidentified was flawed to the point of being grotesque. Every aspect of the production was designed to be dark including the cinematography, editing, and content, which was drenched in “threat” projection.

So the Advanced Aerial Threat Insinuation Program was kicked out and has now become The Threat Spreading Agency..

They sure lack imagination. Bit of a one-sided cowboy mindset.

Surely an advanced civilization would be more refined than rays, rockets, and bullets. What about a stealth virus? One that would genetically lower the intelligence of humans? To a level where they are dumb enough to spend their valuable resources on space weapons instead of preserving their planet? Then all you have to do is wait.

I do start to appreciate the Condon Committee’s conclusions, which resulted in the closure of project Blue Book:

The subject of UFOs has been widely misrepresented to the public by a small number of individuals who have given sensationalized presentations in writings and public lectures. So far as we can judge, not many people have been misled by such irresponsible behavior, but whatever effect there has been has been bad.

The history of the past 21 years has repeatedly led Air Force officers to the conclusion that none of the things seen, or thought to have been seen, which pass by the name of UFO reports, constituted any hazard or threat to national security.

Can someone give a quick rundown as to whatever this amounts to in the end? We’ve got new people coming into TTSA, others leaving due to disagreements, the project being everything from “soft” disclosure with a side of increased funding for DOD and the IC, to it being a big psy-op.

It’s just such a mess, people are going to be writing 500+ page books that will cover this whole situation in a few years, but...JUST WTF IS GOING ON?

originally posted by: johnthejedi24
Can someone give a quick rundown as to whatever this amounts to in the end? We’ve got new people coming into TTSA, others leaving due to disagreements, the project being everything from “soft” disclosure with a side of increased funding for DOD and the IC, to it being a big psy-op.

It’s just such a mess, people are going to be writing 500+ page books that will cover this whole situation in a few years, but...JUST WTF IS GOING ON?

Nothing new, really.

In the past 65 years there have always been people who studied the phenomenon and became convinced there is something ‘out there’, including scientists and people working for the government. They typically did not get convinced by hard proof, but by the sum of many compelling cases.

Elizondo is no exception. He has stated there is no hard proof, just a collection of compelling cases.

There was an organization similar to TTSA in the past: NICAP. What little remains of it is still active, and they have collected a wealth of reliable information, including free online books and many case files, on their website. In the past, NICAP was also backed up by some ‘heavy guns’, just like TTSA is now:
- Donald Keyhoe, Maj USMC (Ret.)
- former chief of the Navy's guided missile program RADM Delmer S. Fahrney USN (Ret.)
- VADM Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter, USN (Ret.) who had been Director of Central Intelligence and first head of the Central Intelligence Agency
- Gen. Albert Coady Wedemeyer USA (Ret.)

They, too, pressured the government to take action. Their collection of compelling cases is documented here.

The government did take action, and asked a committee of scientists to investigate the evidence. Their final verdict:

we do not think that at this time the federal government ought to set up a major new agency, as some have suggested, for the scientific study of UFOs.

we think that all of the agencies of the federal government, and the private foundations as well, ought to be willing to consider UFO research proposals along with the others submitted to them on an open-minded, unprejudiced basis. While we do not think at present that anything worthwhile is likely to come of such research each individual case ought to be carefully considered on its own merits.

The main lesson learned from that period: Without a ‘hard, irrefutable case’, no amount of compelling cases is going to change the mind of ‘non-believers’, raise an eyebrow of mainstream scientists, or drive the government towards ‘disclosure’.

What surprises me is that TTSA shows so little historical awareness.

a reply to: johnthejedi24

This amounts to little...

No official verification beyond AATIP existed and Elizondo may or may not have run it.
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Three new(ish) videos and testimony from the people involved (this is good, of course).

Some senators being briefed, Navy reporting guidlines changed.

Books, documentary, lectures, T-shirts...

No spaceplane that can bend time/space.

A lot of young guns tweeting excitedly and a lot of older guns getting carried away and forgetting their history.

To be honest, even Greer managed to do more than this. He even managed a sort of open hearing and he had a lot more witnesses. And we all know how that ended up down the line.

As someone succinctly put it earlier in this thread: "The centre can hold."

a reply to: beetee

A lot of young guns tweeting excitedly and a lot of older guns getting carried away and forgetting their history. 

How true that is😂.

a reply to: Willtell

As much as I appreciate the sentiment WT as I am sure the others do, its not really about being right or vindicated, I certainly haven't had a "haha I was right nurnur" moment, I just want to retain a state of critical thinking and come to a conclusion based on what's been presented.

All of the FanBoys/YoungGuns of TTSA were slapping eachother on the back when the TV show launched for example? Like they had achieved something...or had been vindicated? Quite the opposite of Critical thinking and the "cultist" behavior that people like John Greenwald have laid bare.

I like making predictions and I believe that these "young guns" will start to splinter pretty soon; there is an unrest between them that is plain to see if you read between the lines, how long before they join the Old-guns? only time will tell. I can only imagine a few of them maybe feeling betrayed at the moment and the hype machine has even caught a few of them out.

I met the launch of TTSA with an equal optimism/skepticism knowing what had come before and with all of the previous comments that TDL had stated logged in my mind. I was secretly hoping as I think a few were, that they may actually achieve "something" in regards to the topic at hand.

That has not been the case...in fact I would go as far as to say that much more damage has been done and I believe that maybe intentional, particularly the illusion of division that have and will continue to be brought into reality.

originally posted by: Willtell

I know that doesn’t exist but this thread anticipated this and everything that TTSA has screwed up and MM’s precise remonstrations turn out to be so accurate. And the other posters, GUT, Pigs, CB and all you other guys and gals contributing have been vindicated in the extreme.

This is the head scratcher for me.
They put a load of clueless/ IC related dudes on a stage with no real evidence then use misinformation techniques most internet UFO sleuths have been "inoculated" against over the last 40 years- and expect what outcome?

The only thing this seems to have achieved is demonstrating how predictably stupid you become if you allow fear to replace rational thought based on evidence.

Maybe TDL did us all a big favour by highlighting the dangers of reportage, hero/patriot worship, phobia, political corruption, none evidenced crackpot science, lack of accountability, a need to monetise everything etc in preparation for what might be, one day, a situation where we need to rise above such archaic impulses.

The Unidentified finale was 29th in the ratings on Friday night. Took a while to find because most ratings sites list the top 20 or 25.

www.showbuzzdaily.com...

Ancient Aliens was 16th, so a good chunk of that audience did not stick around for Zondo.

You could blame the 4th of July weekend I guess but 40 million households managed to binge Stranger Things.

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Also the under 34 rating is terrible compared to the 50+

I don't think the Youth is riding this train.

a reply to: coursecatalog

Well I did discuss the implications of putting this show on the History Channel in the first place, their demographics are way off what TDL et al suggest their target audience was/is;




Essentially 50+ Male homeowners earning $75k...hmmm...not quite getting to the youth there!

Tom DeLonge to Podesta;

That's HARD to do. Getting young adults to like you, especially if your at your level in DC. Don't lose that. I will brand you much more when this all comes out as a man that the youth can trust and rely on. Not that you care... But I do. They do. This project is about changing the cynical views of youth towards government. My fans are trolling the Internet asking about.... *you*. And I haven't even mentioned you yet. That's cool. The young adults are so passionate about this topic, and at the end of the day they feel like you respect them. So they are seeking you out.

I would also consider if the "History Channel" was the best of the worst networks that would carry the program as no-one else was interested?

They probably originally envisioned being on a Netflix or similar popular streaming platform. Clearly didn't work out...

a reply to: pigsy2400

Oh, I completely agree. As we have discussed before, Delonge's fans are now out of the target demo for the most part. Choosing a hip-hop, Country or Pop star would make much more sense if they wanted the most exposure among young people.

Delonge's family connections to the military are likely the only reason he is leading this effort.

Even a pop star like Zayn Malik, formerly of One Direction and an experiencer who claims an alien entity appeared to him, would have been a better choice commercially.

In fact, I think Malik might be the most likely candidate to be one of the new owners of that mysterious place out west that we are for some reason not allowed to speculate about at this venue.

www.usmagazine.com...

Otherwise, can there be any doubt now that the once-respected Dickie Dolan is 100% compromised and has gone the way of Greer & Co?

Yes there can. I respect Dolan very much, he has earned it in the last 20 years.

Some important points occur to me

First...MM should get an ATS Pulitzer prize for this thread.

I know that doesn’t exist but this thread anticipated this and everything that TTSA has screwed up and MM’s precise remonstrations turn out to be so accurate. And the other posters, GUT, Pigs, CB and all you other guys and gals contributing have been vindicated in the extreme.

Secondly, Kudos to Stephen Bassett for his new attitude based on clear empirical data that he would alter his views accordingly without any remorse since he did heavily support this group.

Bassett was critical of one episode of Unidentified. Let's not blow it out of proportion and make holes in shirts with the amount of pats in the back.

After all, Bassett also wrote: "PRG’s support of the TTS/AAS mission continues, but not without nontrivial concern regarding a narrative thread running through the Identified series"

a reply to: Sublant

Let's not blow it out of proportion and make holes in shirts with the amount of pats in the back.

My previous post;

As much as I appreciate the sentiment WT as I am sure the others do, its not really about being right or vindicated, I certainly haven't had a "haha I was right nurnur" moment, I just want to retain a state of critical thinking and come to a conclusion based on what's been presented.

I met the launch of TTSA with an equal optimism/skepticism knowing what had come before and with all of the previous comments that TDL had stated logged in my mind. I was secretly hoping as I think a few were, that they may actually achieve "something" in regards to the topic at hand.

No patting on backs going on here Sub, I think most of us aren't like that. There is certainly no smugness or delight in some of this topic when things are not what they seem, quite the opposite on some occasions.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Sublant

Let's not blow it out of proportion and make holes in shirts with the amount of pats in the back.

My previous post;

As much as I appreciate the sentiment WT as I am sure the others do, its not really about being right or vindicated, I certainly haven't had a "haha I was right nurnur" moment, I just want to retain a state of critical thinking and come to a conclusion based on what's been presented.

I met the launch of TTSA with an equal optimism/skepticism knowing what had come before and with all of the previous comments that TDL had stated logged in my mind. I was secretly hoping as I think a few were, that they may actually achieve "something" in regards to the topic at hand.

No patting on backs going on here Sub, I think most of us aren't like that. There is certainly no smugness or delight in some of this topic when things are not what they seem, quite the opposite on some occasions.

Perhaps I misundersrood Willtell. And perhaps my own desire to see disclosure and more clear evidence for ETH has skewed how I see TTSA and everyone around them. Hope dies last, I guess.

Ttsa roasting by the paraddigm group basset et all,Dont like the paradigm group but i agree with their article here


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Snippet from article,everyone knew,xcept ttsa


"The fires. In March of 2015 Giuseppe Pezzino and his father Antonio Pezzino were arrested and charged with arson, conspiracy to commit fraud, and sounding a false alarms pertaining to the events in Canetto di Caronia. Insurance fraud was the likely motivation. The Italian military police had installed hidden cameras in the streets after the fires started again in July 2014. Video captured about 40 incidents implicating Giuseppe and Antonio. There was also phone tap evidence. They were found guilty."

Well As a 30 yr old male...

I'll say this..

In order to best "reach" my demographic, they shouldnt use a celebrity at all. Credibility is lost immediately. If I was to hear/read/watch/learn about UFOs, ETs, and disclosure.. I was it from someone in the government or an ex government employee.. Elizondo is pretty much exactly the kind of person I'd want to hear it from. He government, but he's also got a you her attitude and demeanor.

I kind of dislike that TDL has anything to do with this. Whenever I mention his name... When people ask.. who said that? They say.. "you mean the singer? What's he got to do with UFOs?"

It just furthers the notion that it's all about entertainment and nonsense instead of it being a very serious subject.

As a side note.. for those of you who are dissatisfied right now with how things have gone.. I must ask again.. what do you want?

You have an ex-DoD Intelligence director who was in charge of what is essentially a UFO hunting program backed by our government who left on his own free will to be able to tell the world what is really going on all while trying not to violate his security clearance by disclosing classified information.

You guys are looking only at what has been said/shown and given no credence to what is inferred.

When someone with a high security clearance leaves the govt and tries to further along disclosure, it means they have see and learned things they can't tell us about.

Elizondo can't just come out with evidence and say exactly what he knows and disclose everything. It's classified.

All he can do is dance around it and leave breadcrumbs to lead us to the pie.

We should take that as the reality.

a reply to: Lucidparadox

I think Tom was right in that Podesta had some gravitas with a younger base. Much moreso than himself I'd say.

It's still my contention that whatever the real plan was, it mostly went out the window with Hillary & John.

Would it have been more successful? To some degree I'm sure but that's not to say it would've been the success they imagined.

Is that a good or a bad thing? It depends on the motivation. Was the motivation truth for the masses? I tend to doubt it.