Dumbing Down Our Kids In North Carolina...Will This Spread To Other States?

This is, frankly, BULLSH!T. If the House Bill 145 passes in North Carolina, a student can pass with a 55 grade, which would be considered a "C." This idiotic decision will only hurt the kids, by decreasing their chances to become productive adults in a competitive economic landscape. Just what the heck are the politicians in North Carolina thinking? How can anyone believe this is a good thing?

Perhaps the problem is the lack of a successful evaluation system for teachers. Maybe it's because of the lack of good parenting that causes kids to become unruly and lose focus on their studies. There are a number of factors that contribute to America's failing public schools. However, you don't go about this issue by lowering the bar. What's next, participation diplomas for just showing up to class? This will just lead to future employment disparities when these kids enter the job market. Truly a pathetic proposal IMO.

State proposes lowering 'F' grade to just 39 percent

The North Carolina legislature is considering a change in the grading system for the state's public schools.

That would mean only scores lower than 39 percent would qualify for an F grade for schools, a far cry from the current 60 percent failure mark in the state and most others.

www.local10.com...

House Bill 145, introduced by the North Carolina General Assembly on Thursday, proposes to base grades on a 15, rather than 10-point scale. In other words, an "F" grade would constitute anything below a 40 percent score – much lower than the 60 percent mark that is the norm in North Carolina and most other states, WPLG reported.

Under the new scale system, an "A" would be 100 to 85 percent, a "B" would be 84 to 70 percent, a "C" would be 69 to 55 percent, and a "D" would be 54 percent to 40 percent, according to the bill.

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The law just makes Cs worthless in the eyes of employers and higher educators.

a reply to: Ohanka

IMO, this rewards underachievement, while teachers strike for more pay. This is crazy.

This is just how our education system in the UK has gone over the last decade. No-one's a loser - everyone's a winner in the new all inclusive don't hurt their feelings climate

I know 1 thing about kids; if you expect less of them that's just what you'll get. The way to fix schools to make them exactly like workplaces where you have a job. Learning is your job. knowledge is your pay and your grades reflect the quality of your work. If you think you can act the fool at work you get fired. Send those kids home, don't make them every other child's problem at school. Having the same expectations at school as you would at a job is the only true reflection of reality and frankly I think most kids would appreciate the realism of the approach.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Common Core is the most prevalent, stupidest thing to have ever come from the education departments of any state.


Under common core, there are no wrong answers.


Tell that to the scientist and astronauts who calculate reentry angles. Tell this to the doctors, paramedics, and EMT's who calculate drug drips and other precise values to keep their patients alive.

Mathematics and precision is and forever will be paramount.

I read Florida is going the opposite way. The new guv is banning common core for a mare civics based curriculum.

As a teacher "retired" the way of teaching was lost when they put slow learners with fast learners . That killed the spirit of the dedicated teachers .

That's nonsense.

No wonder this nation is failing.

Idiocracy becomes all more the reality.

So NC has a grading system now. Sweet.

JK

If you can't make the grade, change the rules. It does not seem right.

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Common Core is the most prevalent, stupidest thing to have ever come from the education departments of any state.


Under common core, there are no wrong answers.


Tell that to the scientist and astronauts who calculate reentry angles. Tell this to the doctors, paramedics, and EMT's who calculate drug drips and other precise values to keep their patients alive.

Mathematics and precision is and forever will be paramount.

Math is racist! I am being serious. You haven't heard that yet? Yea, this so called education system is a zombie indoctrination center. Seems Social Justice, is all they care about. We will have a sissy world where every one is a victim and being an activist will cause congestion world wide due to everyone protesting everything.


People wonder how we got to the point we are now, look no further than our educational system. Remember when University of Berkley became the bastion for the Free Speech? Yep, those were the Marxist bitching they had a right to speak which they did. However, they took it way further than that. They used our free speech to brain wash Millions of young people and some old idiots. Now that they have enough acolytes for the church of perpetual outrage, they want to ban free speech by calling ideas they don't agree with racist. They want to deem people who say words they don't like violent, thus giving them the excuse it's okay to assault persons who they believe say bad things.


Yep, if we should ban anything in the west, it should be what our educational system is doing to our future.

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originally posted by: musicismagic
As a teacher "retired" the way of teaching was lost when they put slow learners with fast learners . That killed the spirit of the dedicated teachers .

it is very true what i said

you cant put slow learners in a class with smart learners

not good

originally posted by: shawmanfromny
This is, frankly, BULLSH!T. If the House Bill 145 passes in North Carolina, a student can pass with a 55 grade, which would be considered a "C." This idiotic decision will only hurt the kids, by decreasing their chances to become productive adults in a competitive economic landscape. Just what the heck are the politicians in North Carolina thinking? How can anyone believe this is a good thing?

Perhaps the problem is the lack of a successful evaluation system for teachers. Maybe it's because of the lack of good parenting that causes kids to become unruly and lose focus on their studies. There are a number of factors that contribute to America's failing public schools. However, you don't go about this issue by lowering the bar. What's next, participation diplomas for just showing up to class? This will just lead to future employment disparities when these kids enter the job market. Truly a pathetic proposal IMO.

State proposes lowering 'F' grade to just 39 percent

The North Carolina legislature is considering a change in the grading system for the state's public schools.

That would mean only scores lower than 39 percent would qualify for an F grade for schools, a far cry from the current 60 percent failure mark in the state and most others.

www.local10.com...

House Bill 145, introduced by the North Carolina General Assembly on Thursday, proposes to base grades on a 15, rather than 10-point scale. In other words, an "F" grade would constitute anything below a 40 percent score – much lower than the 60 percent mark that is the norm in North Carolina and most other states, WPLG reported.

Under the new scale system, an "A" would be 100 to 85 percent, a "B" would be 84 to 70 percent, a "C" would be 69 to 55 percent, and a "D" would be 54 percent to 40 percent, according to the bill.

www.foxnews.com...

1971, it was like that here. "C" was considered passable...for some of the students not doing well? Hey...a "C" is great.

It is though...a way of moving 'em through, up n out, because new students are coming right behind.

As well...teacher shortages and as many as 50 kids in some classes...make individual instruction/help impossible.

Get the low graders up to a "C", pass 'em through...because a new class is coming in fall...

a reply to: shawmanfromny

PS Because of teacher shortages...any non degreed college student can be a substitute teacher...you don't need to have graduated...only have 75-90(in some states)credit hrs. Some districts hurting...depend on substitutes, even on a permanent basis.

So go from low standards to no standards. Seems legit.

Didn't UNC have a grade scandal with their basketball team recently? That ought to help out there.

Part of the problem is teachers not ready to teach, curriculum that isn't good, and part of it is kids coming in not ready to learn. We need to start tracking again. And we need to track in several ways. You need to separate the kids ready and willing to learn from those who aren't. The ones who aren't need to go to a system that teaches them discipline skills - maybe something like a boot camp style setup. The ones who are ready and willing to learn and behave also need to be tracked into groups of learning level and style to some degree so that fast learners can go at their pace, slower learners at their pace, etc.

The whole thing needs to have high standards that are set and expected to be met.

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Common Core is the most prevalent, stupidest thing to have ever come from the education departments of any state.


Under common core, there are no wrong answers.


Tell that to the scientist and astronauts who calculate reentry angles. Tell this to the doctors, paramedics, and EMT's who calculate drug drips and other precise values to keep their patients alive.

Mathematics and precision is and forever will be paramount.

Math is racist! I am being serious. You haven't heard that yet? Yea, this so called education system is a zombie indoctrination center. Seems Social Justice, is all they care about. We will have a sissy world where every one is a victim and being an activist will cause congestion world wide due to everyone protesting everything.


People wonder how we got to the point we are now, look no further than our educational system. Remember when University of Berkley became the bastion for the Free Speech? Yep, those were the Marxist bitching they had a right to speak which they did. However, they took it way further than that. They used our free speech to brain wash Millions of young people and some old idiots. Now that they have enough acolytes for the church of perpetual outrage, they want to ban free speech by calling ideas they don't agree with racist. They want to deem people who say words they don't like violent, thus giving them the excuse it's okay to assault persons who they believe say bad things.


Yep, if we should ban anything in the west, it should be what our educational system is doing to our future.

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I'll meet your math is racist with a physics is oppressive to 'marginalized' people.

Afeminist scholar has published a paper claiming that Newtonian physics is oppressive and that we must use “quantum feminisms” to make the science more intersectional.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

I feel sorry for the kids! What kind of university will accept them with a high school diploma that isn't worth the paper it was printed on? And even if they miraculously get into a good college they will be doomed to failure because their knowledge is nowhere near what is necessary to even begin a higher learning curriculum?

Let us hope other states do not follow suit!

a reply to: shawmanfromny

When teachers are expected to parent and teach, when critical thinking is frowned upon, when everyone gets a medal for "participation," when learning is actually rote memorization...A letter grade is meaningless anyways.

It's a stupid idea to lower graduation requirements, lower passing requirements and eliminate homework. Sink, swim or treadwater is pretty much how the rest of the world works.

Ridiculous idea.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Idiocracy at it’s finest. You see this happening at University’s across the country already. At one that I attended, the Physics professor made it to where 55-70 was a C, 71-89 was a B, and 90-up was an A.

It’s not fair to those who bust their butts to get an A, while others are pretty much guaranteed to pass with a C for just ‘participating’.

Re-read. It's not the students' grades that are changing, but the grading of the actual schools by the state. So basically they are making it easier for ineffective teachers to appear successful.

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