Labour announces backing for a second Brexit referendum

Labour has announced it will back a second referendum on Britain's EU exit to prevent a "damaging Tory Brexit being forced on the country".

Jeremy Corbyn told a meeting of Labour MPs that the party will support or put forward an amendment in favour of a public vote in order to avoid such a scenario.

"The prime minister is recklessly running down the clock, in an attempt to force MPs to choose between her botched deal and a disastrous no-deal," he told them.

Labour announces backing for a second Brexit referendum

I don't expect this to be a popular decision with many on ATS but I have to say I felt a bit of a sigh of relief when I read this although I do think it could end up being a case of too little too late. That said however I do think with no deal looking ever more likely and there being a growing appetite in parliament for a second referendum this could possibly happen.

Looks like the Brexit mess continues.

I also wonder how much of this is just Corbyn trying to stop his party falling apart.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I wish we had a "Labour" party in the United States. We only have one party nowadays

Did you know Hillary worked on Barry Goldwater's presidential campaign when she was in college. She admitted it in her book. Someone who believed in conspiracy theories might conclude the Democrat party has been taken over by Nixon type Republicans.

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What gets me about all the remainers wanting a second referendum is what

makes them think they will get the result they want??

From what I've seen the leave vote is stronger than ever!!

So the treachery continues. We're cheering for you Brexit mates.

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin



What gets me about all the remainers wanting a second referendum is what

makes them think they will get the result they want??

From what I've seen the leave vote is stronger than ever!!

I disagree, I think that there has been a change in the will of the public but really the only way to know is to head back to the polls and have a second vote.

No deal would be a catastrophe for the UK and if the is what it takes to avoid that then I would support it.

EVEN if they somehow do get a second referendum It WILL be LEAVE!

I've got my finger firmly on the pulse of this nation.

There will be riots before they do though! Everyones biggest fear is Britain becoming patriotic again !

Carnage!

originally posted by: FawnyKate
EVEN if they somehow do get a second referendum It WILL be LEAVE!

I've got my finger firmly on the pulse of this nation.

There will be riots before they do though! Everyones biggest fear is Britain becoming patriotic again !

Carnage!

I sure hope you really know where your finger is!!!

Selective democracy at work.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: FawnyKate
EVEN if they somehow do get a second referendum It WILL be LEAVE!

I've got my finger firmly on the pulse of this nation.

There will be riots before they do though! Everyones biggest fear is Britain becoming patriotic again !

Carnage!

I sure hope you really know where your finger is!!!

You can still feel a pulse even in your Arse

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I disagree, I think that there has been a change in the will of the public but really the only way to know is to head back to the polls and have a second vote. .

...and, if the will of the people still doesn't align with the will of the Powers that be, just keep dragging your feet until enough time has passed to hold a third referendum vote, then a fourth, etc until the people agree with the powers and it ends, ya?

As an outsider watching all of this, I gotta say it looks like you're people are getting played by Germany again.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Well, that's a new one... trying to portray the Dems as Republicans. First time I've seen that one in print.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I disagree, I think that there has been a change in the will of the public but really the only way to know is to head back to the polls and have a second vote.

No deal would be a catastrophe for the UK and if the is what it takes to avoid that then I would support it.

Just wait till they have their elections later this year

*Catastrophe* works in both directions ! so it will be equally as bad

for the EU and they know it ...... but they are better poker players!!!

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no not atoll,

Since Brexit I think the reality has become much clearer, we are haemorrhaging business, the pound is falling and we are going to suffer by just about every imaginable measure. In fact even if you ask a Brexit supporter what the benefits of Breixt will be all they have is how amazing it will be when we starting making our own trade rules.

So with that in mind there is a growing consensus that the will of the people had changed.

Personally I think the second vote should be "no deal or no Brexit" quite simple if no deal wins then we have screwed ourselves but what can you do. Even Nigel Farage is on record as saying he also supports a second vote.

So has everyone over there stocked up on brexit boxes. I seen those and thought dang their seriously panicking.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I disagree, I think that there has been a change in the will of the public but really the only way to know is to head back to the polls and have a second vote. .

...and, if the will of the people still doesn't align with the will of the Powers that be, just keep dragging your feet until enough time has passed to hold a third referendum vote, then a fourth, etc until the people agree with the powers and it ends, ya?

As an outsider watching all of this, I gotta say it looks like you're people are getting played by Germany again.

Yep - and we have willing traitors to our country supporting a second vote. These people are truly the scum of the earth, willing to lie and cheat to subvert the vote of the people. They'll say and do anything to get their way, regardless of how people voted.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Playing the Devil's advocate here, the UK is bleeding out and the pound is dropping (possibly) for the same reason someone with a gangrenous limb would be dying... the diseased limb must be removed from the body or it will kill the host. Once the people voted in favor of Brexit, the association and relationship with the EU became gangrenous. Additional referendums, foot dragging, and long running debates over *how* to leave are simply allowing more of the body to become infected. That's where the UK screwed up on this (and I believe it was by design), "Leave" should have happened within a few months of the first referendum. No deal, no soft exit nonsense, just handle it as one would any other divorce from a toxic or abusive relationship, pack the EU's SNIP into a bag and sling it out the door, then go about your business as an independent country.

You'd have already had trade deals with many nations in place by now and the EU would be the one navel gazing and thinking about what once was instead of your own people being stuck in that cycle.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

The problem was that the EU had built in what was effectively a 2 year notice period. They've had ample time to try and pollute the discussion - with willing UK citizens helping them.
No deal is the absolute best outcome. A complete severing of the ties and zero payoff to the EU. It's astounding to me that people can blatantly lie by saying the referendum was not about a 'No Deal' exit. The people voted to leave - period.

You even get complete liars suggesting the pound is tanking. Sterling vs the Euro is higher than it was a year ago. In the last month it is actually up.

Here are the actual key summary highlights from the Office of National Statistics for the final quarter of 2018:

Main points for October to December 2018

Estimates from the Labour Force Survey show that, between July to September 2018 and October to December 2018, the number of people in work increased, while the number of unemployed people and the number of people aged from 16 to 64 years not working and not seeking nor available to work (economically inactive) both fell.

There were an estimated 32.60 million people in work, 167,000 more than for July to September 2018 and 444,000 more than for a year earlier.

The employment rate (the proportion of people aged from 16 to 64 years who were in work) was estimated at 75.8%, higher than for a year earlier (75.2%) and the joint-highest since comparable estimates began in 1971.

There were an estimated 844,000 people (not seasonally adjusted) in employment on zero-hours contracts in their main job, 57,000 fewer than for a year earlier.

There were an estimated 1.36 million unemployed people (people not in work but seeking and available to work), 14,000 fewer than for July to September 2018 and 100,000 fewer than for a year earlier.

The unemployment rate (the number of unemployed people as a proportion of all employed and unemployed people) was estimated at 4.0%, it has not been lower since December 1974 to February 1975.

There were an estimated 8.63 million people aged from 16 to 64 years who were economically inactive (not working and not seeking nor available to work), 94,000 fewer than for July to September 2018 and 153,000 fewer than for a year earlier.

The economic inactivity rate (the proportion of people aged from 16 to 64 years who were economically inactive) was estimated at 20.9%, the lowest figure since comparable estimates began in 1971.

Latest estimates show that average weekly earnings for employees in Great Britain in nominal terms (that is, not adjusted for price inflation) increased by 3.4% both excluding and including bonuses compared with a year earlier.

Latest estimates show that average weekly earnings for employees in Great Britain in real terms (that is, adjusted for price inflation) increased by 1.2% excluding bonuses, and by 1.3% including bonuses, compared with a year earlier.

Sounds pretty good to me. A far cry from the lying and fear mongering from those that just want to get their way and don't accept the will of the people. These bare faced liar remainers have no shame.

This was always what was going to happen.
Politicians, media and elite didnt want Brexit.
Theyve done everything to obstruct the negotiations hoping the people would get so wary and worn down theyd give up.


BREXIT ALL THE WAY!

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a reply to: dfnj2015

True that, and it also looks like the British people have about the same amount of control over their legislature critters as we do in the USA.

That being: none at all!

They just don't work for us *shrug*.