Defected Venezuelan National Guard Sergeant : "The order is to Massacre the People "

No questions about it. We need to take down Maduro right now and let the people of Venezuela impart popular justice with the most barbaric method. The defected sergeant openly declared Maduro ordered genocide.



He also said the government released all prisoners of the jails.

a reply to: Trueman

Why would he order genocide, that would openly invite the u.s. or other outside sources to intervene.

The U.S. has been looking for a regime change in Venezuela for awhile and with a u.s. friendly opposition leader on the side, I'm not sure Maura would be stupid enough to provoke.

a reply to: Trueman

The so called 'sergeant' is a liar and the prisoner release was negotiated by the UN.

Sounds like an excuse for U.S. intervention is being made, however, the burning of aid trucks sure doesn’t look good for Maduro. I don’t want war...especially in a conflict that isn’t our fight.

originally posted by: Trueman
No questions about it. We need to take down Maduro right now and let the people of Venezuela impart popular justice with the most barbaric method.

No, what we (the rest of the world) need to do is help the people from Venezuela follow their own ideas.

Yes, Maduro is bad news, but I don't trust that self proclaimed Obama lookalike president either.

Venezuela also has oil and plenty of natural resources, right?

There is a pattern....

Sound and smells alot like "Taking babies out of incubators and throwing them on the floor".

I hate to say it, but I think we need to see verifiable action against the citizens.

Seems like those Syrian Generals who defected, claiming Al-Assad ordered them to fire on people, when it was actually they themselves who did it.

originally posted by: SilentSaturn
a reply to: Trueman

Why would he order genocide, that would openly invite the u.s. or other outside sources to intervene.

The U.S. has been looking for a regime change in Venezuela for awhile and with a u.s. friendly opposition leader on the side, I'm not sure Maura would be stupid enough to provoke.

Because he is an evil man. He sees his power slipping away, and is so angry he wants to the people who are rejecting him and his policies to pay the ultimate price. It makes perfect sense, I mean, he ordered his soldiers to destroy supplies (medicine and food) imported from abroad so his starving people wouldnt get it, so are you really surprised he would do this?

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
Sound and smells alot like "Taking babies out of incubators and throwing them on the floor".

I hate to say it, but I think we need to see verifiable action against the citizens.

Absolutely. We always need verification, and must always be skeptical. That said, anyone who would order food/meds destroyed when his people are starving, is the kind of person who just might be capable of going this far. He sees his power waning, and knows it is near the end for him. makes him extremely unpredictable and dangerous right now imo.

That seems like propaganda to me. I have heard this one before in Syria.

I saw massacre of children, says defecting Syrian air force officer
Source
Of course those soldiers and generals who defected to the Syrian Rebels gave no such evidences.
Its the same script

a reply to: annoyedpharmacist

I think the destruction of aid was not emotional, but a message. Maduro doesn't want help from the u.s. or its allies. Madura knows how eager the u.s. is for a regime change and how dirty the u.s. has played in the past, regarding south America.

I'm not defending Maduro either, as I'm just attempting to imagine what he's thinking. The situation is complicated and I don't want America to be pulled into another conflict.

Also, Russia and China have ties to Venezuela, and I'm sure if Maduro stays in power that will only strengthen their ties.

Basically setting a potential Syria situation. Russia/China vs U.S. through a proxy war.

Maybe the situation can settle down and a re-vote can happen with some outside source, not related to world powers... Just hope no more people get hurt, and the guy is not right about genocide.

Intervention and/or Maduro killing opposition are both bad outcomes.

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
Sound and smells alot like "Taking babies out of incubators and throwing them on the floor".

I hate to say it, but I think we need to see verifiable action against the citizens.

Exactly different location the same script trying to get through people's emotions to support the regime change.

originally posted by: Metallicus...
the burning of aid trucks sure doesn’t look good for Maduro.

That's why Guiado had his people do it, to make Maduro look bad.

While the problems in Venezuela are horrible. And we can all agree there needs to be change and the people of that country deserve better.

However, it is a bad idea for the US to lead or get involved in that country. Far too often, in the past, the US has gotten involved in the affairs of other countries, it quickly became far worse for the people, than the prior system. Brutal dictators, systematic extermination of people, human rights violations, all from a US backed government, then a very bad civil war, that lead to problems that the US is now having to face.

What is happening there is a start of a civil war and the US needs, for its own security, need to stay out of it. Send aid, to other countries to get into Venezuela, but do not go there directly.

If the US gets involved, then it would become a proxy war between the US and Russia, as Russia has a vested interest in the country of Venezuela. The US supports the opposition, while Russia supports Maduro, and there is a good chance they will send their own version of aid to that country and the blow back may not be what the US wants, as Russia will block any resolutions in the UN that it does not like, nor that would favor Maduro.

Russia did lend money to Venezuela, and has been negotiating for a military base, if not use of the military bases there, to operate in the Caribbean sea, both with military naval and air power, and being at a closer striking distance to the US.

a reply to: Trueman

2 points.

1. I don't trust anything the media says.


2. Perhaps we should let the people of Venezuela choose what to do with their country. If they want to live under the boot heel of the authoritarian socialist regime, then they should.

If they want freedom, perhaps THEY should fight for it.

There was a thread yesterday where the OP said that 80% of the military are against Maduro.


Then I thought "great" in that case we don't need to do a thing. They have the numbers to change things all on their own. There is no need or want from them for us to get involved.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I agree this time we have to wait, the socio-political climate dictates caution and restraint. We lived with a Chavez led Venezuela for years. Though not ideal by any stretch with regards to Russia or China, just going to have to wait it out. Better to not get involved until the end result is more clear.

The video is saying 'video not available' for me.

I'd be very wary of getting involved if I were in charge, look what's happening to Europe right now with the mass immigration and fallout from the ME.

That same kind of fallout would likely arrive en-masse on your Southern border, in the countless thousands.

I know we've witnessed the 'caravans' in the last year or so, I just feel that those numbers would easily be dwarfed.

I'm no Trump supporter, but if he does decide to intervene and deliver some Freedom™, his wall might not be such a bad idea.

originally posted by: SilentSaturn
a reply to: Trueman

Why would he order genocide, that would openly invite the u.s. or other outside sources to intervene.

Because Maduro is a crazy MF.