Trump: Obama was so close to starting a big war with North Korea

I can't.

Anyone else?

I'd bet on Trump being right 98% of the time.

a reply to: Ohanka

They are building Nukes and threatening the world, mostly SK Japan and the US
Just let them do it?

Unbelievable

a reply to: Sookiechacha

LOL...Their concerns? LOL

Yeah, you know those conceptual things we address in the course of diplomacy in order to avoid war?

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Ohanka

Uhh as much as I like how Trump just went in there and slapped little fatty around into some sense a bit, North Korea started a massive conflict and still had a huge vendetta against the US. Kim Jung il didn't even die until 2011, Obama and Bush had to deal with that crazy guy still. Imagine if they tried to deal with him like Trump has with a rather well educated meek leader like Jung Un?

I think you need to learn your historical events timeline a little.

I know historical events perfectly fine. Kim Jong-il was the one who negotiated with Clinton, Kim Young-sam and Kim Dae-jung. The Sunshine policy dates from this period.

The North Korean leadership is not psychopathic or detached from reality. They are quite comfortable in their current position of power and are very unlikely to endanger the status they enjoy. The US Media's constant lies about North Korea, their apparent "threat" to America and suicidal desire to start a nuclear war are constant however. None of which is true.

Isn't it funny how all the countries that are apparently a threat to America are significantly smaller, weaker and have trillions in potential resources?

Methinks American companies could stand to benefit a great deal financially from that mineral wealth, in addition to the reconstruction contracts from the war.

That is one of the most ridiculous posts I have read in a long time on ats

NK are a brutal, violent, destructive machine who hate the US because of what happened in the 50s, to deny that is pure ignorance
Even China has issues with NK
The people are starving, the economy doesn’t exist.
Go for a holiday and see for yourself, don’t steal anything, you will come back in a box
www.reuters.com...

But you just ignore history

The one ignores history is you as it has been proven that North Korea is more than willing to negotiate with America & her allies when America extends the olive branch as they did in the 90s.

You and people like you constantly bring up irrelevant information regarding North Korea's internal politics which has very little to do with North Korea's foreign policy. They are also the same people who repeated Bush's lies about Saddam's WMDs and who constantly spout propaganda against Syria and Al-Assad.

Before you mention their propaganda, this is intended for domestic consumption. North Korea's Juche ideology advocates for Isolationism and Self-Reliance. North Korea wants as little contact with the outside world as possible.

They are very cautious due to a half century of mistrust, followed by a brief cooling of tension, followed by a rapid reversal in policy. Would you immediately trust someone who lied to you in the past?

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Ohanka

They are building Nukes and threatening the world, mostly SK Japan and the US
Just let them do it?

Unbelievable

They are not threatening anyone. Their nukes are a defensive deterrent. Their propaganda is for domestic consumption and is not reflective of their overall foreign policy desire, which is Isolationism. Ideally they'd like Reunification but that is no longer realistically possible which they privately acknowledge. Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of geopolitics would recognize that.

What, exactly, does North Korea stand to gain from attacking America, Japan or Republic of Korea? Other than the utter ruin of their country and downfall of their dynasty?

See there's a good reason this alarmist nonsense in the US Media about North Korea's impending attack hasn't happened. It's never going to.

a reply to: Ohanka

The USSR split Europe into two! It was the main cause of the Iron curtain, and forced proxy wars with the US around the world, not to mention they threatened the entire world with nuclear weapons, forced Korea into a civil war, and egged on Vietnam into one as well.

Sure they do what ever they want, but if the allies let that happen with Germany in 1942 after they won many democratic victories over the rhineland would that have been enough? Obviously not. The world should not stand and watch as situations like these happen. Look what happens when you let things 'slide', Rwanda, comes to mind.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: Ohanka

The USSR split Europe into two! It was the main cause of the Iron curtain, and forced proxy wars with the US around the world, not to mention they threatened the entire world with nuclear weapons, forced Korea into a civil war, and egged on Vietnam into one as well.

Sure they do what ever they want, but if the allies let that happen with Germany in 1942 after they won many democratic victories over the rhineland would that have been enough? Obviously not. The world should not stand and watch as situations like these happen. Look what happens when you let things 'slide', Rwanda, comes to mind.

You have a very strange understanding of history. I must admit I have never seen a version of Cold War history where the Soviets were to blame for literally everything.

Here I thought the US agreed to the Soviet demands of the Yalta & Potsdam conferences, guess I was wrong. Not like they were our allies in that war or anything.

a reply to: Ohanka

Stalin agreed with them but still maintained his end goal was to expand. When he died suddenly it just went to a mess. The US was to blame just as much, but it was the USSR that sort of turned their back on the allies. They were spying on the allies the whole time and even knew of their atomic bombs.

a reply to: Ohanka

Well your point is valid but up to a point

I expect that NK believe they are close friends with China and China are a deterrent to the US

NK have constantly attacked SK, sunk SK ships with their submarines
I don’t think the NK government care about their people, not a bit, they get turned to the stone age and the government will head on out to China or something

I doubt it’s alarmist nonsense at all, not with NK
They nuke up and they become a wild card, scary wild card

a reply to: Ohanka

You were spot on about Libya, no question, I won’t argue that their is some truth to the NK issue but
I think you are a little to far left leaning.
Libya was going to make Africa great again, it would have cost the West so much money, Gaddafi had to be stopped. Yes it was criminal
But NK, different story, it has many issues and is a wild card.

We will just have to disagree

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Ohanka

Obama wasn't willing to talk to the North Koreans or hear their concerns.

LOL...Their concerns? LOL

Yes. The fact their country was publicly named as a target of regime change by the United States, a much stronger country with significant military forces in the area.

What, that wouldn't bother you if you were the leader of North Korea?

The Untied States doesn't negotiate with sabre rattling, attention deprived terrorist, and North Korea has nothing the US wants or needs. The USA is committed to its alliance with Japan and South Korea, and are dedicated to their promise to protect them. Starting a war with NK is contrary to our mission.

North Korea is China and Russia problem. Not the USAs.

Kim Jung Un has no concerns other than bolstering own narcissism and inflated ego. He's a psychopathic murderer that has no empathy or valid concerns.

Well maybe not but North Korea isn't a terrorist, It is a sovereign nation.

Your attitude is the reason America has to deal with a nuclear-armed Korea today.

Right, I'm the problem. Not a terrorist regime whose Dear Leader, who is a "God", don't get me started, starves and tortures his own people, throws his uncle to vicious dogs, uses a banned nerve agent to murder his brother/cousin (?) on foreign soil, and threatens a nuclear war that he can't deliver.

Nope, I'm the problem. The US needs be hot tub, Valentines friends with Lil Kim Jong Un, and listen to his concerns!

a reply to: Ohanka

a reply to: Raggedyman

You're welcome to think that North Korea would attack America.

Jeff Bezos is worth more than the whole country, while they may be crazy, assuming they would commit assisted suicide is a stretch to me.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

What about China, no fear?
Good on you then

I don’t think NK could care less about your big talk and arrogant attitude, I think NK has Obama scared, the US military scared, that they show no respect to you and your people is a huge concern. A 22 year old US citizen was tortured to death and you could do nothing
The NK think the US is a paper tiger, toothless

A pre-emptive strike, let’s just say Obama was considering something with NK, I got a feeling there was a reason, a real reason

So many arrogant yanks out there.
They make constant threats and the US has done nothing

Except Trump, amazing thing Mr Trump has done, truly amazing
Probably fail but still, more progress in a year than in half a decade


And in NK nobody cares or probably know who Bezos is

a reply to: Raggedyman

Hard to call someone arrogant when they are arguing against war.

Fear mongering isn't helping a soul on this earth though.

a reply to: network dude

What exactly is your mission?

To protect ours and our allies, Japan and South Korea's, interests in the area.

And how do you know Kim Jung Un?

The Donald shared their love letters with us. Duh!

I'm pretty sure that Trump and Obama talked about North Korea and I am pretty sure that Obama would have probably said that war with NK may be inevitable. But you notice, the reporters never went and asked Obama himself, they asked others who were not in on the conversation. I do not think Obama meant he supported war with NK, only that it may have to happen some day. Trump takes things out of context too, he talks way too much.

If someone wants to find out if this was discussed, just ask Obama, I am sure that this conversation did arise in their talks after Trump won, the outgoing president always meets with the incoming one to discuss things.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I didn’t hear an argument against war just someone pump out their chest and say how tough they are
Some one is always going to come after you

Remember Vietnam

Understand this, I don’t like NK, don’t mind the US and hope that the NK situation can be reigned in.
I live in Oz so not a big issue for me
Having said that I would hate to see a conflict so I hope that Trump follows through, I admire him for that.

But the arrogance, if I was the NK I would have a special pact with every other country that hates my enemy and as we can see from Vietnam, a host of small enemies can be hard to contain

List of countries that hate the US, be interesting

a reply to: Raggedyman

What sovereign country has attacked us in the past few decades?

And while North Korea does do their fair share of saber rattling, do they have tens of thousands of troops on our border, or vise versa?

Most of our perceived threats very well could be threats, but require context to explain how things could be different.

Russia for instance doesn't have any bases close to the US (yet), but after the USSR, who went against promises of expansion? We, and NATO did by getting right up to their border.

Some of these situations we create for ourselves by doing whatever we want, and when people start reacting to our actions, we proclaim it's a threat and get everyone behind us.

I think we need to rethink our strategy.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

No countries have attacked you in the past
But your citizens have been, your soldiers have been.
There is a serious threat against the US, the sheriff is always a target

Two building, sorry three buildings fall down
I don’t dislike or want to cause you concern or problems, just don’t be smug and arrogant
Some people hate you for smugness and arrogance

I am Australian and vote for governments who support yours, I think you do a good job but don’t make the mistake that you are untouchable

Sadly this is true