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Senator Kamala Harris says the Tax Cuts are Tax Hikes

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posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:29 PM
In her desperate run for President, Kamala Harris tweeted that the tax cuts are really tax hikes !!!!

Her wild claim is based on an IRS statement that claims refunds are down $170 from last year on average !!

Well whoop tee frick'n do 🤣

She doesn't mention that maybe refunds are down because the paycheck deductions are less 🤣

Oh Well. Another dumb-bell Democrat feeding the flock.

Wonder who her campaign pr people are ? 🐔

Kamala Harris

Verified account

The average tax refund is down about $170 compared to last year. Let’s call the President’s tax cut what it is: a middle-class tax hike to line the pockets of already wealthy corporations and the 1%.

2:09 PM - 11 Feb 2019

"she's loonier than Obama"

edit on Feb-13-2019 by xuenchen because: banana democrats😋

posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:34 PM
a reply to: xuenchen

I heard someone from a red state say a flat tax is unfair because their taxes would go from paying nothing to paying something. And then I heard a rich guy from a blue state say flat tax is unfair because why should he have to pay so much more than the average Joe pays.

The math illiteracy in this country is stunning. How can a percentage be unfair is amazing to me.

3 tier flat rate no deductions with tier boundaries based on the median wage. Be done with it.

How about a 0.25% corporate flat rate tax on top line revenue. Whoooo, that would be great!!!! Paying something is better than paying nothing!!!!

edit on 13-2-2019 by dfnj2015 because: (no reason given)

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posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:40 PM
a reply to: dfnj2015

Walls are immoral, I am Spartacus, Russian collusion. I got high and listened to snoop and tupac in college in 1986.

Could be a pattern, or I'm just old....

posted on Feb, 13 2019 @ 11:42 PM
a reply to: thedigirati

Nice avatar pic. Did you say something because my eyes are stuck looking at your pic.

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 01:35 AM
a reply to: xuenchen

Taxes due are actually up, and it's for a good reason. The federal government just cut off the main supply of funds to "socialist" states. You can no longer write off the insane state taxes you pay and expect the federal government to pay your taxes.

Let's see how these states with insane state tax rates do now that their residents will be actually paying that tax.

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 02:49 AM

originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: thedigirati

Nice avatar pic. Did you say something because my eyes are stuck looking at your pic.

He says it is his wife

Back to topic, her attacks are so far over the reality line and she is just asking the President to offer rebuttal and make her look like the POC that she is.


posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 07:16 AM
Harris is a dumb snip.

If your getting more money from your check your refund is going to be smaller.

Simply put your not over paying the state.

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 07:31 AM
Sarah Sanders tried to explain this to the regular folk using an old internet analogy.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.” Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men– the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And the article that mentions is rags on her heavily. Their main complaint?

It’s so long!

And it make good sense. The tax cut gave more money in the weekly pay, so less went to taxes. If you prefer to have the man hold your money for a year, you can decrease your exemptions and pay more, or even pay quarterly taxes on your own. Harris is likely smart enough to grasp this, she is just hoping her base is stupid.
edit on Fri Feb 15 2019 by DontTreadOnMe because: added paragraphs and trimmed long quote IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 08:25 AM
My refund went up.

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 08:44 AM
a reply to: xuenchen

Ok, then we need to leave them in place and do some more cutting of actual taxes. BECAUSE

Money is made for the gov when it costs us less to deliver a product to the public do to the overall improvement of commerce. All ships rise when the tide comes in.

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 09:11 AM
a reply to: network dude

Every person in the United States needs to read that story and thoroughly understand it.

Our economic woes started under FDR with his "New Deal." People were destitute and he promised that by making the government bigger, people could have more money. So we got Social Security, which spawned SNAP, Medicaid, Medicare, Welfare, Subsidized Housing, etc., etc., etc. Every new program made the government bigger and gave the poor people more money, which meant taxes on the wealthy increased to pay for both. Every time someone complained about the costs, they were accused being "against the poor," whatever that means. So the government grew, the poor became completely dependent on government subsidies, and the amount of money needed to fund everything increased exponentially.

Now it's coming close to the breaking point. Our National Debt is so high, we have to keep finding new ways to just pay the interest on the debt, and still fund both the subsidies and the bloated government behind them. So how do we do that? People scream about raising taxes any farther, so we have to find the money elsewhere: less VA benefits to our soldiers, cut corners on making that government-subsidized housing livable, make it harder for people to qualify for programs, and - the most sinister of all - demonize those evil rich people. Keep the focus of the people on the 'rich,' not on the government that is causing the issue.

It's easy to do, because there are always rich people. There is no standard definition of what makes someone 'rich.' 'Rich' is just someone, anyone, who makes more than we do. To a destitute guy, everyone in the middle class is rich. To the middle class, doctors and lawyers and engineers are rich. To them, business owners and high-level investors are rich. And it just keeps going. To me, the people who are causing this mess, our leaders, are rich... and worse, their only contribution to society seems to be causing uproar.

Take the cost of gas, for instance. Gasoline is taxed during raw material import/acquisition, taxed and regulated during the refinery process, taxed again as it is finalized with additives, taxed while it is being transported, and then taxed at the pump when people buy it. Overall, gas taxes (including both hidden and direct taxes) are likely over 50% of the cost of gas! But when confronted with paying high prices at the pump, do people look at the government, which adds absolutely nothing to the product? No! They blame those mean, evil oil companies for charging so much, despite the fact that were it not for oil companies, there would be no cars, no highways, no airplanes, and precious few ships!

This is by design, people. Every time the cost of oil drops enough to lower gas prices, the governments respond by raising taxes. So when oil drops by 20%, gas only drops by 10%... the rest is gas taxes being hiked up again. When oil prices return to normal, does gas return to normal pricing? No! It goes up 10% higher than it was before the price drop, thanks to taxes. So fuel costs go up, and every company in the nation has to raise their prices to reflect their extra cost of shipping things to the local big box store, which means inflation, which means more excise tax (it's a percentage of the price, after all), which raises wages so people can keep up with inflation, which raises income taxes (again, a percentage), and on and on and on.

And when the companies can't afford to raise their wages any more? Then people working for them get on government assistance. That means the government gets bigger and more taxes are needed to support not just the extra people needing help, but an even larger government bureaucracy. So we have to raise taxes. Who do we raise them on? Not everyone, of course... we raise them on those mean rich guys who can 'afford it' because they have to be doing something wrong to allow all this poverty.

And no one questions the government that provides absolutely nothing. And the government likes it that way.


posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 11:13 AM
a reply to: xuenchen

I am behind you totally, she is evidently not capable of comprehending how our tax withholding works, most people I know altered their tax withholding this past year, which raised their takehome a bit each check. The people losing out are those who have their property taxes, city taxes, and state taxes really high, most of the money that fuels the extra taxes is wasted by the states or benefits only those in an area. So if these people are not limited to ten thousand deduction than in effect, other taxpayers from different states are funding that states taxes. It is a tax scam created by states and localities to do all sorts of stuff. We have an added small tax for the hiking, skiing, and snowmobile trails here and the cities have extra taxes on our property taxes to help to collect money to pay for road improvement, the government programs often require a local match of twenty five percent or so which has to come from somewhere.

In the big city they abuse this, it did not cost their citizens extra, they just saved on paying federal taxes. Lots of rich areas do this, one local town has actually been doing this a lot to fund libraries and parks and art gallerias. But most people never hit over ten grand in total state and local taxes around here.

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 11:24 AM
Yes i too had to suffer less return but a month of more bring home makes up the difference. She wants to change tax laws I bet.

Crumbs, I like my crumbs.

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 11:30 AM
a reply to: Vector99

I live in one of those insane tax states and it's funny how many people are besides themselves with anger and disbelief that they can no longer deduct their 15k property taxes along with their state tax. Or that their Mortgage interest deduction is capped.

They don't like it when I point it out to them that when they and everyone else were saying "we should tax the rich more" that we were all talking about them.

They look at me funny and say "but I'm not rich"

Well your property taxes are 15k+; by comparison mine are 6k (and that's already to much). So you must live in a more affluent area with better services and a much bigger house. That's part of your wealth that the rest of us don't have.

Than you live in a state that offers many more and more costly services than other states do. That is luxury that other dont have.

Your pocket books might be feeling a little light; that's because you over extended your self - even the richest among us need to worry about that.

I can see it in their eyes that they understand what I'm telling them; but they still walk away anger that finally the rich have to pay more.

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 12:10 PM
a reply to: Vector99

Don't forget the standard deduction went from $6000 to $12000 (I think) 😎

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 12:13 PM
It appears the IRS/MSM complex has a lot of people thinking the IRS is a bank/savings account 😎

whooooray for college degrees🤣

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 05:09 PM
a reply to: xuenchen

Any refund is just the government holding my money hostage interest-free. I learned that before I was out of my teens. I've been self-employed now for 30+ years so screw withholding they get their money on tax day and not a day sooner.

This reminds me of the "logic" the left was pushing recently about how border apprehensions are down so illegal immigration is down too. Just like tax cuts and tax refunds the two have absolutely nothing to do with each other.
edit on 2 14 2019 by underpass61 because: fix

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 05:31 PM
a reply to: underpass61

Democrat strategy dictates an ass-backwards approach in order to BS as many people as possible 😎

posted on Feb, 14 2019 @ 05:42 PM
a reply to: Vector99

Yeah, but even in states where you don't have to worry about that refunds are down, but it isn't because you are paying more in taxes. It's because they have less of your money to begin with.

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