Eric Garcetti Declares ‘Green New Deal’ in L.A., Cancels Natural Gas Plants; Officials Doubt ‘

They will upgrade the plants as soon as PG&noE can’t porduce enough power for the millionaires on the coast. On another note the Green Deal will be great for my solar diviision.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: xuenchen
Sounds wonderful.

Now people will need to use old fashioned oil lamps 🤣

Whale oil.

Non-fossil too !! 🤣

"Organic" 🤣

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Nice to see someone brave enough to except change and try something new.


If the voters don't like what happens then they can vote him out.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I wonder how they plan to replace airliners in their petroleum free green deal?
Swim to Hawaii and Europe I guess...

Nah, it's called LA, the New Flyover.

Seriously, let them test the concept and rest of the country can see for themselves how it works. If it works out, GO FOR IT, but if it's the crazy thing we all suspect it is ... well, they already have typhus and hepatitis. Why not add to the third world problems?

Enjoy going back to the Stone Age, Dems.

What complete loons

I can only assume at this point that some folks in positions of power are actively trying to destabilize the nation. Its right in line with certain agendas that are openly talked about by organizations like the UN.

It seems the idea is to bring all nations in the world to parity. Not by raising struggling nations up, of course, but by bringing the bar lower in nations that are doing better. This aspect seems to scale at all levels of this "movement" too.

All attained by abusing the notion that "change" is always a good thing, and always an advancement. Its blatantly designed to take advantage of this massive naivete. Hell, at this point, all they do is pepper the marketing slogans with positive trigger words like "green," "sustainable," "smart," etc. No one who supports it looks any deeper. After all, what silly person would ever be against being "smart," amirite?

a reply to: Serdgiam

I was being partially tongue in cheek above, but there is a kernal of truth there too.

Let LA try attaining these goals. Who knows? Something might be discovered or achieved in the process aside from complete ruin. And if it is, that could end up being a net gain for all of us. However, you and I and most of us here are on the same page with thinking the method being tried is sort of insane.

i mean the actual resolution is kind of vague and seems more like a list of suggestions for a future policy or set of policies, it's not quite as extreme as i thought it was but certainly some parts are rather questionable and reek of socialism and wealth redistribution.

this guy is just an idiot that's reading into things with his own ideas and hasn't even read the bill, seems to me that she's getting a bad reputation because all these extremist left wing politicians are taking her ideas and pushing them beyond what her bill actually says, i mean some of her suggestions seem pretty moderate and some seem more to the right, i don't think she's as left wing as so many seem to think though, still it doesn't really have any teeth and acts more as a neutral guide than anything.

not saying i agree with it, but it seems to me that people are exaggerating and reading into secondary opinions way too much, without actually looking at the resolution itself.

a reply to: neo96

You can't make this ish up. It's one of the cleanest sources of power we got, hell we should go nat gas. Not to mention, we can actually produce the energy in raw form right here.

They're all stupid.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I wonder how they plan to replace airliners in their petroleum free green deal?
Swim to Hawaii and Europe I guess...

Nah, it's called LA, the New Flyover.

Seriously, let them test the concept and rest of the country can see for themselves how it works. If it works out, GO FOR IT, but if it's the crazy thing we all suspect it is ... well, they already have typhus and hepatitis. Why not add to the third world problems?

I guess the idea of converting air travel to high speed rail just hit a reality "wall" in Democrat stronghold California.
California to pull plug on billion-dollar bullet train, cites ballooning costs

And this was just one rail project. Can you imagine this being nationwide and the total cost overruns if the GND is passed?

SMFH

a reply to: Krakatoa

I saw that somewhere this morning!

And the thought of Cali's high speed rail project had crossed my mind when I saw AOC's Green New Deal proposal.

What most people who think rail travel would be awesome here don't realize is that it works so well in places like Europe and Japan precisely because they *aren't* here. They're are much more compact geographically. Rail lines don't have to travel as far, so it's much more workable there.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Krakatoa

I saw that somewhere this morning!

And the thought of Cali's high speed rail project had crossed my mind when I saw AOC's Green New Deal proposal.

What most people who think rail travel would be awesome here don't realize is that it works so well in places like Europe and Japan precisely because they *aren't* here. They're are much more compact geographically. Rail lines don't have to travel as far, so it's much more workable there.

The other countries, like China, also can just take the land they want for it and move the inhabitants elsewhere....with NOBODY with the ability to fight back. That darned 2nd Amendment gets in the way here...as was seen recently in the midwest.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti declared Monday that the city would abandon plans to rebuild three natural gas power plants, despite concerns that the city could face acute power shortages as a result.

Instead, the city will look for energy from renewable sources, including wind and solar, he decided.

“This is the Green New Deal … Not in concept, not in the future, but now,” Garcetti said, as quoted by the Los Angeles Times.

Eric Garcetti Declares ‘Green New Deal’ in L.A., Cancels Natural Gas Plants; Officials Doubt ‘Keeping the Lights On’

So, the mayor of Los Angeles has scrapped plans to rebuild 3 natural-gas fueled power plants. Of course he talks vaguely about replacing them with renewable energy, but he doesn't have any actual plan. This is despite top officials insisting that those plants are vital to being able to provide electricity to the LA area.

They're supposed to start shutting down the old power plants in 2024. I guess you guys should get ready for more rolling blackouts.

So...... Which wind generator or solar company is this turd getting kickbacks from? Inquiring minds want to know lol.

Cheers - Dave

While all this sounds peachy to the dolts in CA, I wonder where they will site the plants? Maybe the wastelands of CA have enough room for all those wind farms and solar arrays, but the footprints are much larger than comparable boiling water or gas turbine plants. These are the same hypocrites who bragged about no coal plants as they were getting power from the coal-fired Four Corners plants.
Nuclear is actually the better option if the HTGR can be built. The problem with PWR plants is that each one is a custom job. We need a standard design that is automatically approved by the NRC; making Fords rather than a series of custom designs so a plant may be built in less than 15 years.
Of course, now that Andrea Rossi is marketing the ECat heat, a solution may be waiting in the wings with LENR plants.


[HGTR = High Temperature Gas Reactor, PWR = Pressurized Water Reactor, LENR = Low Energy Nuclear Reaction]

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Krakatoa

I saw that somewhere this morning!

And the thought of Cali's high speed rail project had crossed my mind when I saw AOC's Green New Deal proposal.

What most people who think rail travel would be awesome here don't realize is that it works so well in places like Europe and Japan precisely because they *aren't* here. They're are much more compact geographically. Rail lines don't have to travel as far, so it's much more workable there.

Exactly. A more realistic comparison would be trying to build a high-speed rail line from Madrid to Moscow, or from Rome to Moscow (including the part where it needs to get past the Alps).

So can this greenie be tried for murder once the rolling brownouts and blackouts start? LA add a hot summer day and people will die.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti declared Monday that the city would abandon plans to rebuild three natural gas power plants, despite concerns that the city could face acute power shortages as a result.

Instead, the city will look for energy from renewable sources, including wind and solar, he decided.

“This is the Green New Deal … Not in concept, not in the future, but now,” Garcetti said, as quoted by the Los Angeles Times.

Eric Garcetti Declares ‘Green New Deal’ in L.A., Cancels Natural Gas Plants; Officials Doubt ‘Keeping the Lights On’

So, the mayor of Los Angeles has scrapped plans to rebuild 3 natural-gas fueled power plants. Of course he talks vaguely about replacing them with renewable energy, but he doesn't have any actual plan. This is despite top officials insisting that those plants are vital to being able to provide electricity to the LA area.

They're supposed to start shutting down the old power plants in 2024. I guess you guys should get ready for more rolling blackouts.

First: I am not familiar with this specific issue in LA, however:

Point number 1: It takes LONGER and COSTS MORE to build a gas plant than it does to build either an equivalent similar land based wind or solar plant. It is very likely that this decision is of benefit to BOTH the supply stability and financial stability of the City. It is certainly to the long term benefit of both.

Point number 2: Night time supply is more than adequately covered by existing power plants. It is the day time peak loads that are on the edge, so the issue with solar not being available at night is moot - at least until 2024 when the old plants are to be shut down. So there are 5 years (on that schedule) to solve the storage problem or to come up with a steady after dark supply (the wind does blow at night, by the way). Giant batteries only take about 6 months to bring on-line from contract signing to throwing the switch. The only problem here is sourcing the actual batteries, and the production is ramping up at a furious rate, and as the production rises the price drops. This is capitalism at its best: demand lifts production, production lowers cost. Win-win for everybody.

You need to start thinking about actual cost benefit analysis of the systems instead of blindly swallowing the biased propaganda of the entrenched fossil fuel industry that has been sucking at the public teat of tax concessions to order to maintain some pretense of viability for many years now.

originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

The 1st brown out in the summer and hes finished

Rebuilding a gas plant or not rebuilding a gas plant doesn't do anything to help or hurt the supply THIS summer.

It will take around 4 years to commission the new gas plant. It will take two years to commission a new solar plant of equivalent output.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I wonder how they plan to replace airliners in their petroleum free green deal?
Swim to Hawaii and Europe I guess...

The issue here is natural gas fired electricity plants.

Nothing to do with petroleum or aviation fuel.

originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: Bluntone22

I wonder how much he has invested in these " green" companies who will get the contracts.

Research Nancy Pelosi's brother-in-law, Ron, and his connections to government solar energy contracts.