Reconciling Creationism with Evolution: both are correct...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Raggedyman

Faith is cool.

But religion burned Bruno and imprisoned Galileo, whom many consider to be the first scientist.

I think I am detailing history after Luther, there is no explanation or reasoning for the Roman Catholics
Be a fairly fair assessment to suggest they were a political, economical monster using religion to subjugate and exploit rather than free and love those they controlled

I think if we were to look at Christs teaching we would see the disconnect

a reply to: Raggedyman

The Golden Rule is highly logical for societal animals such as we are.
Being condemned to eternal damnation for disbelief is not. But it helps keep people in line and helps fill the coffers.

a reply to: Phage

Galileo according to European history?
I think it's safe to suggest many people used science prior to Galileo, maybe not in the "modern" sense.

As for the church, yeah, it has failed, conssistantly, abused its powers conssistantly

But that's not my point.
It brought out education, started the best universities, encouraged men and women to apply science and seek out explanations and you said, "it's God, say no more" when clearly that's not the case
You stand on the shoulders of giants and then deny them.

You dismiss history to score your stars anf flags, a very cheap pop and it's a lie.
You are trying to frame a Christians faith and dismiss so much, why. Self gratification, arrogance, make yourself feel superior, make your self and fellow non believers out as the intelectual giants while dismissing reality?


The church brought hospitals after Luther, well after the Black Plague.

You deny demons? Interesting

a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't dismiss history. I dismiss superstition.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Raggedyman

The Golden Rule is highly logical for societal animals such as we are.
Being condemned to eternal damnation for disbelief is not. But it helps keep people in line and helps fill the coffers.

I asked for empirical evidence re evolution, went begging

Now you tell me, teach, that he'll is eternal for us mere mortals
You telling me?
Who told you, Father Oleary?
Read it did you?
Do you have any evidence?

Unfortunately again, many churches, especialy in your country are self serving, greedy, self promoting criminal kabals

But many churches support food banks, half way houses, rehab, I am sure you know the score, well maybe not.

Those early universities, hospitals were pad for through charities and people offering to coffers.
Your country, your Benny Hinns and Joyce Meyers, that's a reflection on your people and it's poor education standards. Where I come from we don't have them to the degree you have them.
Creflo Dollar, that is just perfect

Please tell me again hell is eternal for mortals

a reply to: Raggedyman

Please tell me again hell is eternal for mortals

I didn't say it is.
I said it helps keep people in line and helps fill the coffers.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Raggedyman

I don't dismiss history. I dismiss superstition.

no you do dismiss history as I outlined, you dismiss those that disagree with your world view
You are another atheist fundamentalist
No middle ground or capacity to think scientificaly, in its truest sense

I never got to read the op's blog but I think I understand the perspective.
The is no noise unless there is something to hear the noise, just moving wavelengths.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I dismiss superstition. It has done nothing for anyone.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Raggedyman

Please tell me again hell is eternal for mortals

I didn't say it is.
I said it helps keep people in line and helps fill the coffers.

So why tell me, I don't believe it either, why repeat the lie
What's your purpose
Why not tell me about 72 Virginia or whatever

Phage you arena clown
You are framing arguments

That " God did it, say no more" statement, why say that when history makes it clear that statement is not true
"Hell is eternal" why, it's not biblical, why say that to me if you don't believe it
Why, what motivates you to,do that?

Why are you imposing your values on me, why deny you are after doing that

a reply to: Raggedyman

Why are you imposing your values on me

I'm not.
You are free to wallow in superstition.

a reply to: Phage

Phage I couldn't give a flying fornication about you and superstition

I asked why you said " God did in and no more" when historical,evidence suggests that chrsistians don't act that way
Why are you framing Christians as scientificaly ignorant or inept when history shows that non believers have been.
Why suggest Christianity is scientificaly ignorant when reformed christianity brought out mass education, universities and encouraged the sciences

Your opinion of superstition is irrelevant her and in context

Stop trying for stars and deal with the issue

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Raggedyman

Why are you imposing your values on me

I'm not.
You are free to wallow in superstition.

Never meede your permission phage and still don't
But my little star who're
Let's get back to the issue please

Chasing that tail, you can get it

a reply to: Raggedyman

Why are you framing Christians as scientificaly ignorant or inept when history shows that non believers have been.

I'm not doing so. I have not once specified Christians.

But surely you are not saying that only Christians have contributed to science?

But my little star who're

Cute. But what's up with the apostrophe?

a reply to: Marma

Our Law of Thermodynamics Defines Our Existence . We are the Result of an " Action " in a Presently Known Four Dimensional Universe . Both Scientifically Possible and Possibly Believable in a Conceived Religious Sense IMO .

a reply to: Phage

Poor spelling

You said in a patronising way only a page or two ago

"God did it (creation), so say no more (faith, nothing more needed)"
When clearly history shows that after Luther the church was instrumental in education and the sciences
What you are implying is that Christians who talk creation don't want or care to research more into the natural world when history proves you wrong

I don't understand why

Then you needed to tell me hell is eternal for people and I don't get why that either.
You don't believe it, I don't believe it but you thought it was relevant to the conversation, why?

a reply to: Raggedyman

What you are implying is that Christians who talk creation don't want or care to research more into the natural world when history proves you wrong

I am not implying anything. I am saying that those who unflinchingly rely only upon tales repeated (and distorted) for thousands of years are simply superstitious. I am not saying that Christians, or those of any other faith, cannot accept the findings of science. But I am saying that many will not.

You don't believe it, I don't believe it but you thought it was relevant to the conversation, why?

I did not know that you don't believe that, but it is preached by most who preach that God created life and that it has been unchanged since.

Hey Phage
Attacked the church, that was a failure, kinda agree with you on them
Attacked the greed, yeah, you are right, greedy manipulative hypocrites
Called hell eternal, don't believe it myself, don't see any scriptual evidence
Attacked my supernatural beliefs, many hold simmilar beliefs, many stronger than mine, many atheists believe in ufo and ghosts. Not judging them
I know what I believe is illogical


Going to guess you might attack the bible next, don't waste your time.
I know it has a few flaws, is not perfect. Bit like a compass, might not be exact but its exact enough to get me home

I just want to know why you said "God did it, no more needed" when history shows otherwise

a reply to: Phage

Must be my poor spelling my poor punctuation or Australian accent

My question is "why" did you say what you said
Why?
It's not important if you or I believe in hell, why bring it up?

Why say sarcastically " God did it, no more needed"?

Why


I know you won't answer the question,,just hoping you might reflect on it
Thanks for the fun, must get going,,enjoy your day night whatever
God bless😱

a reply to: Marma

Out of curiosity. What does the theory of evolution say about the beginning of life?

a reply to: Phage

Particles that Make Up our Universe Did Not Exist at one Time Outside of Time and Before it Began . Ergo , The Particle " Creator " Willed them into Being , and Life Evolved from it .