Early UFO / Saucer Reports

a reply to: karl 12

Hi Karl 12

Just thought I would add something about the old Aurora case that is interesting,

And it doesn't prove anything about space people, but MUFON did an episode about it, and they went to the cemetery in Aurora sending a team of investigators and found the grave with a headstone that had a saucer engraved on it, and tried to get permission to exhume it, and were denied doing so by the church or something.

So they left that day, and before leaving the town, they went back to get a last look at it the next day and found it had been exhumed by government types, and they removed everything including the grave marker.

Oh, and they said they used a metal detector the first day they found the exact grave and it definitely detected a substantial hit within. But the next day all traces were gone. Hearing this straight from MUFON has me thinking it wasn't a hoax.

Stanton Friedman also claimed to have interviewed an old woman who was 5 years old when it happened and she said it was the talk of the town, and everyone there knew about it.

Thanks for the great threads!

We should also possibly be aware that ET flying saucers (foo fighters) are sometimes encased in a fiery dense plasma shield --- Possibly as a offensive/defensive mechanism, and also as a source of fuel for a photon based propulsion engine, in places that lack starlight photons.

originally posted by: Erno86
We should also possibly be aware that ET flying saucers (foo fighters) are sometimes encased in a fiery dense plasma shield --- Possibly as a offensive/defensive mechanism, and also as a source of fuel for a photon based propulsion engine, in places that lack starlight photons.

Have you ever seen one, ones TDS or spoken to a crew member?

a reply to: Erno86

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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
If by a report of a report, you mean a story that has changed quite a lot after being retold, like "I heard a guy say once...", then I would agree, or do you mean a majority of reports simply can't be trusted because they are unverified as a verbatim copy of the original content?

What I mean by "a report of a report" is that many times we have a report of something having been reported but with no references to the original report, so we cannot really know if this new report is true or not, as anyone can say that there was a report of something.

For example, the first image on the opening post:


In this case we have what looks like a newspaper article saying that someone read from a book written by "a writer of inexplicable happenings". It may all be true, but an article about someone reading a book is hardly an original report, and we don't even get a reference to a possible date of publication of the original source.

a reply to: ArMaP

Ah indeed, I see what you mean.. Thanks for the reply.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

That's an interesting concept. If a report is very old, or even brand new, and it is copied word for word, then it IS the report.

Fair points about the heritage of some of these early saucer reports and below are some source material links to relevant old magazine articles and books that are permitted by author to be in the public domain - some of the original Fort material is really interesting and there's also some 1947 literature documenting disc sightings prior to the Arnold case (as well as early folklore).


Fort:

New Lands by Charles Fort

As in his other books, many of the phenomena here are straight-on UFO reports. Fort gives numerous instances of 'airship' sightings, some with multiple attestations over wide regions. Many of the sightings occurred decades before humans attained heavier-than-air flight. What is striking to modern readers is the language used by the authorities to explain these sightings: bright stars, luminescent gas, mirages, ball lightning, and mass hysteria...and, just prior to WWI, reports of mysterious cylinders over south England were attributed to the Germans. So not only have there been mysterious lights in the sky long before the initial UFO flap in the late 1940s, the powers that be have likewise attempted to dismiss these reports in similar terms for a long time..

Contents

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The Book of the Damned

by Charles Fort.

Link

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Folklore/Bizarre Early Reports:

Passport to Magonia - On UFOs, Folklore, and Parallel Worlds (pdf)

Contents (PDF File)

Regional Encounters - the FC files. A century of UFO sightings and Close encounters in the Mid West - Francis Ridge.

Contents (PDF File)

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Keyhoe:

The Flying Saucers Are Real by Major Donald Keyhoe - 1950

This was one of the first books published about the UFO phenomena. We are fortunate that it ended up in the public domain.

Contents

Flying Saucers From Outer Space


1947/Pre Arnold Reports:

Report on the UFO Wave of 1947 -

by Ted Bloecher, Introduction by Dr James E. Mcdonald.

Link

Alfred Loedding and the great flying saucer wave of 1947 -

by Michael D Hall & Wendy A Conners.

Link (pdf)

'What We Really Know About Flying Saucers' by Otto Binder.

The Day Before Roswell

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Archives/Articles:

The Journal of UFO History - a publication of the Donald E. Keyhoe archives

The 'True' report on flying saucers.

The Flying Saucer Menace -Brad Steiger

"U.F.O." Revisited

Why I Believe In Flying Discs - MacKinlay Kantor (pdf)

Have We Visitors From Space? - LIFE Magazine, 1952

Are Flying Saucers Real? (Saturday Evening POST, Dec. 17, 1966)

a reply to: IMSAM

Thanks for that one mate - good catch! Dr Hynek also mentions in this interview about Dr Sturrock's statistical report into AAS UFO astronomer sightings and there's a good list here containing some early reports (also this interesting one from the Air Technical Intelligence Centre at Wright Patterson Air Force Base).


a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Thanks for the post about Aurora mate and will keep an open mind when looking into that one.

Don't know if you've seen it but there's also a great interview here about early British reports and some of the lesser known 'saucer' cases are being discussed.

Cheers.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Thanks for the post mate and some of the historical coins and paintings are certainly open to subjective interpretation - thought Eiieu's link was an important one about religious context although to be fair there's an awful lot of biblical accounts of stationary clouds, sky thrones, fiery chariots, flying rolls, pillars of light, platforms, vessels and fiery wheels in the sky described as exhibiting rapid, prolonged flight; hovering; ascending or descending (link).

originally posted by: Erno86

We should also possibly be aware that ET flying saucers (foo fighters) are sometimes encased in a fiery dense plasma shield

Don't know about origin my friend but there are some intriguing comments below from NASA's Paul Hill, Dr Hynek and the Rand Corporation about UFO colour change during acceleration (which may support the plasma idea) -also some very freaky early reports:


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At night they are primarily visible by self-generated light and only secondarily by reflection, and virtually all colors of the spectrum are reported, with a change in color often observed as the UFO accelerates.'
Dr J Allen Hynek - Speech to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.



Brightness and color changes are also noted, and while the sample is small (82 cases) NICAP found the following: Of the 25 cases showing a change in brightness, 23 of the changes occurred at the moment of a velocity change (a change of either magnitude or direction). Concerning the change of color, 23 cases showed a color change related to acceleration. While the supporting data are not conclusive, it appears that the spectral shift is to the red upon acceleration.
The RAND Corporation, 'UFOs: What to Do'



"All UFO colors stem from energetic, ionizing radiation or radiations, generated by the UFO, which ionize the air. Of all the visible colors, red and orange correspond to the least energy. They are also the two most common colors associated with UFO low-power operation, such as hovering or low-power maneuvers. The electrons have been given the ionization energy, but not much more, and cascade down in small energy drops corresponding to red or orange. This is statistically probable, as there are more small drops available than big ones.
NASA's Paul Hill

link

Cheers!

Thanks for posting this

a reply to: karl 12

Thanks for all the PDF links, reading the first one now. That is a lot of good quality PDF reading material in there to be sure.

Checking out the linked video's as well, thanks!

The more we learn and remember, the harder it is for "them" to erase our memories of these things with their various methods. (kind of a joke, but it isn't really false).

originally posted by: eiieu

originally posted by: Erno86
We should also possibly be aware that ET flying saucers (foo fighters) are sometimes encased in a fiery dense plasma shield --- Possibly as a offensive/defensive mechanism, and also as a source of fuel for a photon based propulsion engine, in places that lack starlight photons.

Have you ever seen one, ones TDS or spoken to a crew member?

I possibly had a double nighttime foo fighter sighting (with two other witnesses), one night in November of 1976 approximately 40 miles west of Washington D.C.. I saw it in it's high power bluish-white phase and in the reddish-orange fusion plasma low-power phase; during it's possible landing on Earth.

Interesting. the spectral shift isnt because theres more energy in the plasma per se. Wavelengths can do intetesting things in certain mediums including wavelengths you normally cant see.

The specral change must have been on the older sightings. Ive only ever seen on the many occasions one dominant color. For these types of craft ive only seen a scintillating reddish orange. Sometimes youll see a trace of yellow or even green. But the dominant color is reddish orange.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

NCA no probs matey and if you've not seen it already there's also a few (very) early reports described in the vid below.





Could be nothing but in one 1909 newspaper report a resident of New Mexico was grazing his sheep on the plain when he suddenly felt the ground shake and heard a voice of unknown origin telling him to 'look up' - he then witnessed 'a dark round cloud full of stars' which came straight towards him, passed over his head and travelled to the East.

Also some pretty darn intriguing old Aborigine accounts briefly covered at 22:00 and discussed in dream time context at Zazz's thread here

Other sourced reports:

Date: September 2 1902
Location: Lowestoft, England
Time: 07:00
Summary: A daylight disc was observed by a female witness.
Source: Hatch, Larry


Date: 1901
Location: New Haven, Missouri
Time: Night
Summary: A flying disc was observed. One disc was observed by three witnesses, two of them an experienced observors, in a forest (Welter). A noise was heard
Source: Rogerson, Peter World-Wide Catalog of Type 1 Reports


Date: 1905
Location: Bucovina, Romania
Time:
Summary: During the evening a retired doctor saw a brightly glowing elongated, saucer-shaped object bigger than the moon traveling steadily westwards.
Source: Hobana, Ion


Date: Mid- 1900
Location: Caddwst, UK
Time: Dusk
Summary: A flying disc was observed. One disc, about 20 feet across, was observed by one female 12-year-old witness in a forest.
Source: Lorenzen, Coral E. UFOs: The Whole Story Signet T3897, New York, 1969


link

Cheers.

Say Karl...or anybody else...

Do you think that the father of the hydrogen bomb --- Edward Teller --- was not forthright enough in describing the true validity of some U.F.O. reports during Project Blue Book?

Or did he side on the support of total secrecy about these ET flying machines, due to the possible war implications of such magnificent crafts?

a reply to: Erno86

Don't know about Teller but will let you know if I find anything mate (also looking into CIA's early involvement with Wheeler at the mo).

Some pretty freaky early reports in this report - spinning, flying wheels are described as well as 'notorious satanist' (and alleged Bush grandfather) Aliester Crowley having an encounter with 2 little men in 1896.

This 6-page report is derived primarily from the Magonia Database, sightings catalogued by Jacques Vallee and presented in his great work, Passport to Magonia. No doubt some of these came from Charles Fort.

This report deals only with sightings prior to the 20th Century. Four entries, at the time of this writing that is, were taken from the UFO Evidence, 1964 (Hall).

18th Century UFO Sighting Chronology

Cheers.

a reply to: Erno86

Early Foo (and saucer) reports from WW2 European and Pacific theatres:

a reply to: karl 12

Hey Karl!

Good video. Great cases of foo fighters he discusses. Worth watching.

I like Richard Dolan. However on this one i respectfully disagree. He comes to incorrect conclusions. Foo fighters are terrestrial technology. They're not complex to understand and they aren't UFOs except in name sake only. Foo fighters aren't a mystery to everyone.


But again good video. Some interesting cases. Keep em coming karl.
Also flag for great thread of yours.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Hey no worries my friend and please feel free to send me some info - there's a pretty fascinating interview below where ex British Diplomat and Intelligence Officer Gordon Creighton recounts his daylight sighting of a fast moving white-ish disc shaped object over the Chinese Embassy in 1941..

Mr. Creighton spent many years in the British Foreign Service. He spent 10 years in China and in 1941 he saw a UFO while at the Embassy. In broad daylight he saw a disc-shaped, silent UFO with a blue white light on top flying very fast. In 1953 he spent some time with the Military Defense in Whitehall and worked on the floor underneath a department, Air Technical, dealing with UFO's.

..he also describes a really interesting UFoo (or 'Krautball') case from Germany just after the end of WW2 where the object actually entered a military aircraft and flew up and down the inside of the plane in front of eight witnesses (also some intriguing remarks about magnesium).

Also no saucer report but did remember this interview where it's claimed that U.S. Secretary of State Cordell Hull reported witnessing 'alien bodies' in the basement of a Capitol building way back in 1939.

Cheers.

Couple of early saucer reports sourced from 'The UFO Files' by Jerome Clark: