Trans Activism and "Gender Affirmation" is Breaking Our Kids

a reply to: kaylaluv

Ideology is the basis of irrationality and bigotry.

a reply to: kaylaluv

I go by the general consensus

I would be willing to bet that a lot of people DON'T go by the general consensus because many feel like these organizations were shamed into coddling this phenomena. Fear of losing your career and being publicly shamed is a HUGE motivator.

This phenomena was brought to the public eye LARGELY by Hollywood and the mass media. From the weeds come this TINY group of poorly adjusted people with extremely loud voices. With Hollywood and the Mainstream on their side they practically forced these organizations to adopt a new kind of understanding.

For the worse in many peoples eyes because it's a mental health issue nothing more. By "allowing" or adapting, all we are doing is coddling the weak and the confused.

They screamed loud enough and got what they wanted.

Surely you can see the correlation and understand why not everyone buys into this.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: kaylaluv

What do all the other kids that show signs of depression do?

In my youth it was unheard of ...... When my children were young it was

unheard of, its only been made a big thing of in say the last 10/20 years?

May be its to do with the *me* generation, the "I want it and I want it now"

generation ...... the generation that doesn't get punished because it might

damage their psyche? ....

a reply to: MarkOfTheV

The best part is the hypocrisy involved, just look at how Hollyweird treated Cloud Atlas.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yeah, I get it, you don’t trust scientists, doctors, psychiatrists, or any other professionals.

You do you, bro.

I wonder if you would trust/believe a doctor that stated something that went against your ideological beliefs.

Are there individual quacks out there? Absolutely, see Paul McHugh, for one.
That’s why one should go by the general consensus of the whole.

So any doc that doesn't agree with you is a quack.

Again, I go by the general consensus. Not just one doctor who happens to be a far right wing evangelical.

You don’t go by general consensus, I take it? Only the individual that agrees with your personal ideology?

I see.

Consensus is not scientific proof. Never has been.

Surely you realize this?

One quack’s claim isn’t scientific proof either.

Surely you realize this?

I didn't make that claim. don't deflect your illogical arguments onto me.

How on earth is it illogical to side with thousands of scientists, researchers, psychiatrists, medical doctors and endocrinologists across the world?

Because consensus is not science.

It was the consensus that the earth was flat. It was also the consensus that the sun revolved around the earth.

Yes, in time these beliefs fell to the wayside as we learned more about our universe, but that doesn't change the fact that the consensus majority was wrong and still ostracized their fellow scientists of the time by labeling them "quacks". Much like you are doing now.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Thank you! I knew we could be friends.

I'm not your friend, dear. What I would like, though, is a rational reason for your view that doesn't rely on an argument from authority or the denegration of those that hold a contradictory view. Something grounded in reality and back by testable and repeatable evidences. You know, science.

a reply to: MarkOfTheV

Therapy alone has been tried. It does not resolve gender dysphoria.

Therapy along with anti-psychotic meds has been tried. It does not resolve gender dysphoria.

The ONLY treatment that has helped resolve gender dysphoria is therapy, plus any drugs needed to help with the symptoms of the dysphoria (depression and anxiety), PLUS helping the person with the level of transition that relieves their dysphoria (how much transitioning depends on the individual).

If you have another treatment that works better, by all means, publish it!!!!

a reply to: eletheia

Another one from the “slap the crap out of them and tell them to snap out of it” school of thought, I see.

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yeah, I get it, you don’t trust scientists, doctors, psychiatrists, or any other professionals.

You do you, bro.

I wonder if you would trust/believe a doctor that stated something that went against your ideological beliefs.

Are there individual quacks out there? Absolutely, see Paul McHugh, for one.
That’s why one should go by the general consensus of the whole.

So any doc that doesn't agree with you is a quack.

Again, I go by the general consensus. Not just one doctor who happens to be a far right wing evangelical.

You don’t go by general consensus, I take it? Only the individual that agrees with your personal ideology?

I see.

Consensus is not scientific proof. Never has been.

Surely you realize this?

One quack’s claim isn’t scientific proof either.

Surely you realize this?

I didn't make that claim. don't deflect your illogical arguments onto me.

How on earth is it illogical to side with thousands of scientists, researchers, psychiatrists, medical doctors and endocrinologists across the world?

Because consensus is not science.

It was the consensus that the earth was flat. It was also the consensus that the sun revolved around the earth.

Yes, in time these beliefs fell to the wayside as we learned more about our universe, but that doesn't change the fact that the consensus majority was wrong and still ostracized their fellow scientists of the time by labeling them "quacks". Much like you are doing now.

So where is your science that contradicts what the general consensus says on this subject? Peer reviewed science?

originally posted by: TinySickTears
the best part of this 'issue' for me is seeing so many of you so worked up over it.

this and the abortion thing really gets you guys going and its awesome

kids and babies.
high on your fake list of things to care about

Sometimes I find your posts as bad the right wing people on here. Why does no one on this site seem to be able to look at things from a balanced viewpoint?

Giving children hormone blockers or supplements of any kind is a #ing stupid idea...period.

I don't give a # about the rest of the trans stuff addressed in this thread...but doing that is definitely going to # some people up. Especially for the inane reasons people seem to come up with to do so.

Oh Billy was playing with dolls yesterday better start the hormones....Suzie wants to wear pants...get the #in hormones...

That's the # that's insane...

Every little feel good story i've read or 'documentary' i've seen about this features some parent, who's got some problems of their own, who made a big deal out of something a 3-5 year old said....so...#ing hormones...

Why in the actual # is anyone listening to what children say about that first of all?

They're #ing children...they say stupid # and have stupid ideas all the time since when are the ideas of children taken seriously? Especially when it comes to something they have no real concept of?

Ya know I used to think maybe it was all some society destroying conspiracy...I don't any more...it's about money.

A trans person is a patient for life. How much money do you think doctors make off those people? Especially in America.

The modern day medical system is designed around keeping people sick or finding perpetual treatments for them. Little Billy or Suzie's moments of confusion are a whole heap of $$$$$ to some greedy doctors.

a reply to: kaylaluv

If you have another treatment that works better, by all means, publish it!!!!

As I said earlier, I think being forced to deal with a REAL problem might make you less inclined to worry about your gender.

Things like hunger, disease, famine, crime, war.

In a cozy country it's easy to get bored and just start making up problems to get in a huff about.

I have a cousin who has done this very thing. Average girl who decided she wanted to be an asian boy that dressed like a girl. You read that right. She's never been able to hold down a job or keep friends, she/he/it is, for lack of a better phrase... a complete and total drama queen that loves ANY kind of attention. Her whole life revolves around being confused about her gender. It's been quite a sad thing to watch.

THAT'S the reality that I think you are missing but a lot of people see.

a reply to: dug88

You go messing with sexual hormones and boost risks of cancers of the hormone related organs (breast, uterine, prostate, testicular).

One quick GoogleFu citation:

Hormone replacement therapy, also referred to as HRT, is used to relieve menopause symptoms, especially hot flashes. A woman on hormone therapy usually takes both estrogen and progestin. Women who have had a hysterectomy can take estrogen alone. Estrogen relieves hot flashes and other menopausal symptoms. However, taking estrogen alone can increase your risk of developing uterine cancer. Women who have had their uterus removed, called ahysterectomy, can take estrogen alone.

Many studies have looked at the association between hormone replacement therapy and breast cancer. The best evidence for the benefits and risks of hormone replacement therapy come from the Women's Health Initiative (WHI), a large study involving more than 27,000 post-menopausal healthy women. The results published in July 2002 showed the risks of combined HRT with estrogen plus progestin outweigh the benefits. These risks included an increase in breast cancer, heart disease, stroke, and blood clots.

Not only does combined HRT increase the risk of developing breast cancer, but it also increases the chances that the cancer will be discovered at a more advanced stage. This is due to its influence in reducing the effectiveness of mammography by creating denser breast tissue. www.webmd.com...

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: kaylaluv

If you have another treatment that works better, by all means, publish it!!!!

As I said earlier, I think being forced to deal with a REAL problem might make you less inclined to worry about your gender.

Things like hunger, disease, famine, crime, war.

In a cozy country it's easy to get bored and just start making up problems to get in huff about.

Oh I get it! If someone suffers from gender dysphoria, ship them to Afghanistan!

You do know there are people born and raised in Afghanistan who have gender dysphoria, don’t you? It happens in every country.

a reply to: kaylaluv

As with tourette's, leukemia, schizophrenia, and last but no least toxic masculinity.

a reply to: kaylaluv

As usual you show yourself to be incapable of rational conversation and have once again completely missed the point.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yeah, I get it, you don’t trust scientists, doctors, psychiatrists, or any other professionals.

You do you, bro.

I wonder if you would trust/believe a doctor that stated something that went against your ideological beliefs.

Are there individual quacks out there? Absolutely, see Paul McHugh, for one.
That’s why one should go by the general consensus of the whole.

So any doc that doesn't agree with you is a quack.

Again, I go by the general consensus. Not just one doctor who happens to be a far right wing evangelical.

You don’t go by general consensus, I take it? Only the individual that agrees with your personal ideology?

I see.

Consensus is not scientific proof. Never has been.

Surely you realize this?

One quack’s claim isn’t scientific proof either.

Surely you realize this?

I didn't make that claim. don't deflect your illogical arguments onto me.

How on earth is it illogical to side with thousands of scientists, researchers, psychiatrists, medical doctors and endocrinologists across the world?

Because consensus is not science.

It was the consensus that the earth was flat. It was also the consensus that the sun revolved around the earth.

Yes, in time these beliefs fell to the wayside as we learned more about our universe, but that doesn't change the fact that the consensus majority was wrong and still ostracized their fellow scientists of the time by labeling them "quacks". Much like you are doing now.

So where is your science that contradicts what the general consensus says on this subject? Peer reviewed science?

I can't provide that to you, under that condition.

There's an impact to the weight of a publication simply based on the journal in which is appears, if it appears at all. This is why "The Market for Lemons" was rejected several times, before it was published. The author won a Nobel Prize later for the work.

Scholars themselves point out that the peer review process has not been scientifically validated. Which would lead me to suggest that peer review is a flawed metric.

Now, if you're willing to consider other ideas on the matter in general, we can discuss them. But if they are all just quacks because they haven't been peer reviewed, I can't help you.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: eletheia

Another one from the “slap the crap out of them and tell them to snap out of it” school of thought, I see.

I don't usually reply to posts like this.....

I dont believe in physical punishment, so you can forget about slapping.

However I personally know in two cases that boundries, tough love,

aspirations did snap them out of it. When previously they had been coddled

with the adults around them had been walking on egg shells incase they

disturbed their fragile psyche's.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: queenofswords

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: queenofswords

So do people with type I diabetes. As long as they take their meds.

What’s your point?

Really? You don't understand the point?

We're talking about mental/psychological/emotional conditions....not physical ailments.

Hormones are not psychotics meds.

Coming from someone that believes too much testosterone is the cause of all the killings and problems in the world.

Man, you are fixated on me and everything I say! You need a life.

Would you say I'm as fixated on you, as you are on trans issues, and therefore need a life as well?

The bigger question is why are you deflecting away from you stated belief, now?

originally posted by: MarkOfTheV
a reply to: kaylaluv

As usual you show yourself to be incapable of rational conversation and have once again completely missed the point.

What was the point? That third world countries in the middle of war, famine, death and disease don’t have this problem? But they do.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

So, no peer reviewed science, and no general consensus.

So, what do we look at, in your opinion, for our information?