Oregon governor supports mandatory gov’t visits for all newborns and their parents

originally posted by: Metallicus
I wouldn’t be opening my door to anyone from the government without a warrant. I can’t comprehend why anyone would want someone from government in their home.

I had to take my grandson because my daughter and her boyfriend got strung out on drugs and their home got raided. I went to court to petition for guardianship. I went back and forth for about 2 months and I finally got that guardianship. I was able to put him on my blue cross, enroll him in school and furnished his room with new furniture. I spent thousands but we were doing just fine.

Then somehow CPS gets wind of the case two months later. They tell us they needed to take over custody and I need to apply for a foster care license. I had to then go back in front of the judge and she agreed to place my grandson in the custody of CPS. Mind you, they didn't take him away from me, they didn't provide a thing for him or for us. They just got all the control with none of the responsibility. I did convince the judge to let me keep him on my blue cross and dental because I can get much better care for him. CPS put up a fight on that in court. I was beside myself. I really think they despised the fact that I got as far as I did without them catching wind of the case. I think they wanted to punish us by making us go to a welfare doctor that takes the state insurance. Every CPS kid must be equal on their animal farm.

Now I have home inspections, can't keep any guns in my home and I have to attend classes on how to be a parent. I firmly believe the government is evil. They never cared or did anything when his life was in ruins with his mother or father but take control of my life when I finally get the kid on the right track. They do like to throw their weight around though. They come into my house and act like they have power over my life and unfortunately they do. My grandson is just a line item to inflate their unjustified budgets.

They are pure evil and you are right to feel the way you feel. I wish I could tell these people to get off my property.

originally posted by: TheJesuit
This is in America NOT England .... and how long till it gets abused for profit or otherwise because some government Social worker comes in and decides they don't like your style of parenting or your house isn't clean enough and removes your newborn baby from you .....

Yea! One of the first laws of the land in fact was one saying Amerrrricuns ain't gotta let y'all crumpet butterers in our houses and I can gare-unn-TEE w'yain't fixin'a let it happen in daggum 2019

So CHEERIO PIP!

a reply to: ManFromEurope

And where are you located if I may ask ? Because in USA you are supposed to be free and innocent till proven guilty also they are supposed to be rules against unlawful search and seizures which this would allow.

a reply to: Joneselius

Because it is an intrusive unwanted action of gov aholes who most of time have no kids of their own trying to flex their power. Might work wonders in UK but in America we are mostly against gov telling us how to run our families.

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Originally posted by Secularist
I trust my government to do me good when it comes to national security.

originally posted by: Screwed
I for one love our Government and everyone who runs it.
I believe they know what's best for me and do not question their authority over me.

Originally posted by FirstCasualty
I really doubt the whole lot of the US government would be down with such treasonous tactics.

a reply to: TheJesuit

Here in the UK, every new parent gets a visit from the health visitor when a new baby arrives if you have it in a hospital.

Is this not just along similar lines, and to make sure the baby is receiving correct and adequate care and the mother is coping well?

How is this a problem, or in any way detrimental to your rights?

something they should probably do as soon as an obgyn or other facility has deemed someone pregnant... however due to possible loss of the fetus they dont.

they already do this with adopted children and pets so why not make sure it is a safe and healthy environment first... such a thing only stands to benefit society.

privacy in the case of an adult well best not to even have any if that is your concern; that of course does not mean that others children like your peers or those working to invade it wont.

so human nature being human nature... thats easily identified its animal nature runs, hides, slithers, and scurries depending on ones location in the world.

Perhaps the program would be less controversial if it included an option to periodically mail babies in for inspection.

a reply to: Majic

Yeah. One might be going on vacation or something like that.

Include a self-addressed and stamped crate to ship it in.

a reply to: Majic

Before snail mail there was "stork mail" or have you forgotten?

originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Seriously, this kind of visits LOWERED the number of child-neglections, endangering children, child abuse and so on here!

Constant camera surveillance in all homes would LOWER cases of domestic abuse, incest, suicide, etc... But so $&@#ing what? The goal of humanity isnt to eliminate every unpleasant event, you freaking psychopaths!

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TheJesuit

Here in the UK, every new parent gets a visit from the health visitor when a new baby arrives if you have it in a hospital.

Is this not just along similar lines, and to make sure the baby is receiving correct and adequate care and the mother is coping well?

How is this a problem, or in any way detrimental to your rights?

It makes an assumption of guilt. You cant be trusted on your own, some authority has to give you permission to continue to keep your baby. This just opens up an avenue for abuse and corruption.

And it ignores a real problem. If people cant be trusted to take care of a damn baby, how dumbed down are we? And why arent we doing something about That? Why do we have adults running around with the knowledge and life skills less than that of a 14 year old living in the 1800s?

And how on Earth did our ancestors ever manage for the last million years without a government department of giving you permission to be a parent?

Putting this power in government hands is just blasphemy in its purest form to an American.

This is an area in which we should be policing each other. If neighbors actually got to know each other, if communities were not so fractured and we were more involved in each others business, it would be better for everyone and warning signs could be seen in time.

Fixing the many many obvious flaws in our education system, and using some kind of government program to promote tighter knit communities would solve all this and so much more. You in the UK are just putting a bandaid on all the wounds that keep appearing while totally ignoring the guy whos stabbing you.

a reply to: Scifi2424

Went through a similar thing with a neice. CPS are scum in my experience.

a reply to: 3n19m470

Sounds to me like they simply wish to establish whether the weans ok and receiving the proper care.

Fact is some people can't be trusted to take care of a damn baby, dumb or otherwise.

Next thing you know they are locked in a cellar and getting beasted all ways or some dog digs up there bones from a garden or the like.

Out of the problems both our respective nations have associated with there way of rule this is not one of them.

Wean's wellbeing is important, in this instance "they" are not being nosey or intrusive but simply prudent.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: 3n19m470

Sounds to me like they simply wish to establish whether the weans ok and receiving the proper care.

Fact is some people can't be trusted to take care of a damn baby, dumb or otherwise.

Next thing you know they are locked in a cellar and getting beasted all ways or some dog digs up there bones from a garden or the like.

Out of the problems both our respective nations have associated with there way of rule this is not one of them.

Wean's wellbeing is important, in this instance "they" are not being nosey or intrusive but simply prudent.

I agree, I'm just saying it's not just as simple as that, there are reasonable arguments both ways, pros and cons for each situation.

Just do your due dilligence and conduct a minimal amount of research into the nightmares (no seriously, i recommend using the word nightmare in your search and other similar descriptors) people have endured in their interactions with the agency every state has usually known as CPS (child protection service).



Also, I adressed that, promoting community cohesiveness can do the job of detecting if someone is doing anything like keeping their kid in the basement abusing them, and this law actually would not do that. This law entails 2 or 3 visits during the time when the child is still considered a "newborn". Any psychopath will have no problem whatsoever acting normal during these short visits. Its gonna take daily interactions over a long period of time, something only neighbors can accomplish. Not by spying on each other, but just as a byproduct of caring about each other, they will be able to detect when something is not right with one of their own.

Now as a bonus question, what has been done, by powerful entities such as the government, media corporations, the entertainment industry, and politics, to promote either cohesion or division? Not only in our communities but in our families. And this just adds to the reasons why we don't trust the government. They haven't earned it. Not by a longshot. And now they wanna be the gatekeeper between a parent and their baby? Even moreso than they already are?

a reply to: 3n19m470


Indeed. I know of jurisdictions where city police & county sheriff office personnel have had orders NOT to escort CPS workers to inspect homes.

-Agencies don't want their officers "directed to do something" by CPS personnel, like make an arrest, without a warrant.

-Be subpoenaed by the homeowner to bear witness against CPS torts

-interpret the states civil law/family law statutes at the scene of a confrontation.

-be "used to open doors" by CPS personnel. Most Americans will answer the door when a cop knocks on it and says, "answer the door!" They don't realize that they are not legally obligated to do so, unless the police officers tells them they are obligated. When CPSers can't get a warrant, they will try to get a cop to intimidate the people into opening the door and letting the CPSer in.

The juveniles at my home have strict instructions that they are not authorized to open the door. They can yell "through" the door--in fact, I expect them too, in case its burglars checking to see if the house is unoccupied.

But the kids' final instruction is that they are minors, and they do not have permission to take orders from anyone else, including someone who claims to be police. If it is the real cops and they have authority to enter the home, they will just *(try to) kick the door in anyway.

a reply to: 3n19m470

On the government issues i totally agree.

Democracy through is simply a prison where we cannot see the bars.

It's the nefarious bastards that operate above our respective governments, and outside the realms of law, that's the real contention aka the bastards that designed the invisible prison in which we exist.

We like to call it freedom, security, and continued way of life, but the truth is its all simply illusory.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: 3n19m470

On the government issues i totally agree.

Democracy through is simply a prison where we cannot see the bars.

It's the nefarious bastards that operate above our respective governments, and outside the realms of law, that's the real contention aka the bastards that designed the invisible prison in which we exist.

We like to call it freedom, security, and continued way of life, but the truth is its all simply illusory.

It's never gonna be perfect and nobody will ever be 100% happy. And everything's bull%#& anyways like you basically said

We are just occupying time and entertaining each other here.

While people have made good points on both sides of this I would support some sort of program for this but its not likely to work at any rate:

In nursing school we did a public health rotation. Much of that involved doing well baby checks on new parents who for a variety of reasons had CPS holds etc on them. The number of issues uncovered was staggering. From unsafe homes, to simply knowledge gaps that in turn lead to unsafe conditions. A visit would fix that.

To do many things in life we requires some sort of education. From driving a bus, to flying a plane, to practicing medicine, there are requirements to do so. But perhaps in the most important role we have, parenting, there is none of this.

The vast majority of these visits would involved education etc and not some sort of punitive witch hunt. Rather an assesment of safety/environment and an assessment of the baby.

It wont work for a simple reason: We do not have enough qualified nurses to do this important role