Texas Border Sheriffs: There is No Crisis and We Don’t Want Trump’s Wall

Please Google all the human trafficking and rape cases caused by illegals crossing the southern border.

If you care about children or women AT ALL even a TINY DAMN BIT you would be completely for shutting down the southern border illegal traffic.

a reply to: jjkenobi

If such a thing was possible, that is, if it were possible to prevent all traffic from South of the border, and prevent any and all illegal crossings of the border by installing a wall, then you MIGHT just have a point, except for the fact that border crossings account for a relatively minor amount of the total of illegal immigration, and that a far greater amount of illegal immigration is done through legitimate ports of entry, by way of overstaying visiting visa periods.

But what you are suggesting is NOT physically possible. Even if you lined up every Navy vessel around the shores of your country, even if you applied all the resources, and I mean ALL the resources of your entire military as a border force, you would STILL get drugs, guns and people crossing into the United States, undocumented, and unknown by the authorities.

Think about this another way, ok? There is not a single country on the face of this Earth, with quite as much border protection as North Korea. Thats just a fact. They take their borders more seriously than most people on the planet take breathing, the moronic, insular bastards that they are on a societal level. And you know what? People escape from there all the time. They risk getting shot, they risk having their boats sunk, being tortured for a decade and unceremoniously shot in the back of the head, then put in with the coal to be used as fuel at the prison complex or forced labour camp they get assigned to upon arrest, just to cross a border.

And you really think that a nation with a border as wide as yours, with such long coastlines all up and down both East and West of it is EVER going to be able to NOTABLY reduce the amount of illegal, undocumented and unwitnessed crossings into its territory? You haven't got a hope, especially since you refuse to solve the most important issue first, which is that this illegal immigration and drug smuggling is being funded and facilitated by your own nations intelligence services. Nooo, that problem is apparently too hard to solve, so hard you do not even publicly mention it. Never mind the fact that the CIA owns or has power over the cartels and directs many of their operations, specifically when it comes to Narco Terror south of the border. Never mind that the very notion of narco terror was created by members of the CIA and taught to gangs down south in order to disrupt otherwise healthy socialist ideas being spread there at the time. Never mind the fact that the drug situation is America's fault in the first place, no, you guys would prefer to deny your responsibility, and take absolutely no steps to curtail the source of the problem.

You will fail, so will the wall, whether it gets built or not. The source of the problem is your clandestine agencies, and until you solve that problem at source, the rest will continue and continue, with no end in sight. Grow some balls and do something useful to solve the problem.

a reply to: dug88

My thoughts exactly, legalize marijuana and that particular problem is solved. As for the harder drugs being smuggled into your country, statistics show that most of them arrive through ports of entry.

Trump's comment conflicts with the numbers compiled by U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the agency responsible for enforcing the nation's laws along the U.S.-Mexico border.

www.azcentral.com...

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: jjkenobi

If such a thing was possible, that is, if it were possible to prevent all traffic from South of the border, and prevent any and all illegal crossings of the border by installing a wall, then you MIGHT just have a point, except for the fact that border crossings account for a relatively minor amount of the total of illegal immigration, and that a far greater amount of illegal immigration is done through legitimate ports of entry, by way of overstaying visiting visa periods.

But what you are suggesting is NOT physically possible. Even if you lined up every Navy vessel around the shores of your country, even if you applied all the resources, and I mean ALL the resources of your entire military as a border force, you would STILL get drugs, guns and people crossing into the United States, undocumented, and unknown by the authorities.

Think about this another way, ok? There is not a single country on the face of this Earth, with quite as much border protection as North Korea. Thats just a fact. They take their borders more seriously than most people on the planet take breathing, the moronic, insular bastards that they are on a societal level. And you know what? People escape from there all the time. They risk getting shot, they risk having their boats sunk, being tortured for a decade and unceremoniously shot in the back of the head, then put in with the coal to be used as fuel at the prison complex or forced labour camp they get assigned to upon arrest, just to cross a border.

And you really think that a nation with a border as wide as yours, with such long coastlines all up and down both East and West of it is EVER going to be able to NOTABLY reduce the amount of illegal, undocumented and unwitnessed crossings into its territory? You haven't got a hope, especially since you refuse to solve the most important issue first, which is that this illegal immigration and drug smuggling is being funded and facilitated by your own nations intelligence services. Nooo, that problem is apparently too hard to solve, so hard you do not even publicly mention it. Never mind the fact that the CIA owns or has power over the cartels and directs many of their operations, specifically when it comes to Narco Terror south of the border. Never mind that the very notion of narco terror was created by members of the CIA and taught to gangs down south in order to disrupt otherwise healthy socialist ideas being spread there at the time. Never mind the fact that the drug situation is America's fault in the first place, no, you guys would prefer to deny your responsibility, and take absolutely no steps to curtail the source of the problem.

You will fail, so will the wall, whether it gets built or not. The source of the problem is your clandestine agencies, and until you solve that problem at source, the rest will continue and continue, with no end in sight. Grow some balls and do something useful to solve the problem.

I see we found another soul who puts politics ahead of the safety of women and children.

Building a physical barrier would aid in prevention of illegal trafficking across the southern border.

Nobody ever in the history of the universe said it would prevent all traffic.

Nobody ever in the history of the universe said it would prevent all illegal immigration.

Fact. It would help.
Fact. It would lower the amount of human trafficking.
Fact. It would lower the amount of drugs.
Fact. The cost is a non-issue. USA does 35 billion plus foreign aid each year. 5 billion? please

A wall can not be built in the river from what i have learned it is against many laws and would not be a god idea cause of erosion and such. So it would have to be built outside of the flood plain. So a wall there is dum cause people could still enter into the usa across the river even if there was a wall.

There's no such thing as border sheriff's...

Sheriff is a county elected official, not border patrol.

a reply to: jjkenobi

I see we have another gormless halfwit that can't read.

Its not a political issue. The wall simply will NOT change the number of illegal immigrants coming into your country. It will only change the precise method they use of crossing the border, and it won't change it by much either. It won't make any difference at all to human trafficking numbers, it will only change the precise method by which victims are transported across that border. It will not change the amount of drugs at all, it will only change the precise method by which drugs are transported across the border, its pretty simple. Your border is too large to be policed. What cargo can no longer be transported by road and land will be flipped to be flown, or boated, or tunneled under the border instead, and there is nothing you can ever do to stop that.

Unless you stop the demand for drugs, the supplies will remain and logistics lines will simply change shape to make it possible for them to remain unbroken. Unless you stop your intelligence services running the gangs and the guns and the drugs for their own ends, these things will never stop, unless you treat drug addiction rather than criminalising it, these things will never stop. The wall will NOT work, because it can be gone over, under and around, and no doubt someone will figure a way to go THROUGH the damn thing before its been erect for more than a week, so stop kidding yourself that this wall is anything. Its not. Its a white elephant project, that will have a net effect of zero.

Let's talk about rape?


So many stats on the issue floating around but not much perspective. The issue is the age of consent in mexico is 13 and in the usa it is 18. So the usa considers any one under 18 that has had sex to have been raped. That is why the stats are so high. Using the logic the use we can safely say that over 40% of american teens have been raped.

originally posted by: jtma508
Rep. Will Hurd (R-Texas) whose district covers roughly 700miles of the southern border says the same thing. He maintains that there is no crisis on the southern border and that the whole thing is a myth fabricated by Trump to get his Wall. There are far better and far more effective ways to spend border security money then on Trump's monument to himself.

Not surprising since Hurd is ex CIA, ie Deepstate shill.

dbl

originally posted by: highvein
a reply to: AtlasHawk


Sounds like someone doesn't want border security interfering in their bribe money. Maybe an investigation is needed.

It's a whole lot more than that!
This "poor fella" is bound to be killed if he doesn't do some cheerleading for The Cabal...
Or arrested, once the layers of protection are removed and victims start coming forward...

a reply to: TrueBrit

which is that this illegal immigration and drug smuggling is being funded and facilitated by your own nations intelligence services

So we wont find you anywhere criticizing Trump for not trusting his own nations intelligence services?

Knowing you, I find that hard to believe, but if you say it right here in this thread, I will personally believe you.

a reply to: TrueBrit

What cargo can no longer be transported by road and land will be flipped to be flown, or boated, or tunneled under the border instead, and there is nothing you can ever do to stop that. 

All those other ways sound a lot harder. And more expensive. Prohibitively expensive for most Mexicans that aren't the Cartels.

You dont see the usefulness in making it more difficult, (and impossible for some) for these crimes to be committed?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Unless you stop your intelligence services running the gangs and the guns and the drugs for their own ends, these things will never stop,

Right, which is why it's a good thing Trump is stepping it up against MS13. Gang bangers are notorious snitches, obviously its gonna be a lot more difficult at these higher levels but we need to get witnesses to testify so we can acknowledge in court that the intelligence agencies are involved, and this is all a part of the ongoing investigations which take time, but which we have been alerted of, through specific Intel drops......you know which ones.

a reply to: 3n19m470

Oh for...

You need to thank me for keeping this civil in the face of such utter bullheadedness, you really, really do.

Ok, let me spell it out for you.

Going after the functionaries at street or even local command level, going even after the "Boss" of a gang like MS-13 will do and ultimately mean NOTHING in the long run, just like smashing AQ did not solve the terrorism problem, and just transferred it over to IS instead, smashing MS-13 will only mean that the CIA and its intelligence partner agencies, will simply have to do business under a different name, using different puppets. It will not cease the puppetry, only change the face of the marionette. I will say it again...

ONLY going after the INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WHO FUND AND OPERATE THESE GROUPS will actually correct anything, actually produce any kind of result, and there is no, read it once more, NO political taste for that, because doing any of the things that will actually WORK to solve these border issues with drugs and people trafficking, will also cost the black budgets of the intelligence agencies, BILLIONS of dollars a year.

Doing anything EXCEPT hitting the centre of the problem, which is all Pentagon officials and suits of that nature, not random cartel lords who have the hand of at least one US agency up their tail pipe working the controls at all times, will achieve nothing. Do you understand yet, or would you also like to ignore the actual main thrust of the issue? I do apologise if you think I am being acidic in my tone, but I am sick of people not actually reading absorbing and responding to what I am ACTUALLY saying. I am not saying that Trump is not doing SOMETHING, but I am saying that nothing he is doing, has done, or has any intention of doing according to what is known about his policy plans for the future, deals with the ACTUAL problem, and neither does attacking MS-13!

a reply to: 3n19m470

The cartels have already proven that they are willing to spend the money. Since the amount of non cartel drugs, guns and trafficking that goes on is statistically irrelevant by way of how little there is of it, I would say yeah, the tiny reduction involved will make no difference in the long run, especially since the trafficking of all manner of things is largely at the behest of and supported by central intelligence figures to support dark budgets.

I know, bit of a broken record, but you cut the head off if you want the body to die. You don't wait for papercuts to do the job.

a reply to: 3n19m470

Oh, you will find me criticising trump for continuing to breathe, because its a waste of good oxygen.

And you will find me criticize Trump for not trusting his intelligence people on specific matters, where I happen to know that their assessments are correct. They have to be right enough of the time and on enough things to look like the good guy to at least some people some of the time, because otherwise someone would already have looked behind the curtain for long enough to ID the wizards.

a reply to: TrueBritSo why do abc groups control such chemicals and the like? Many think it is just for money but there is a deeper reason that many refute as being bull hockey. That truth is found in the control mechanisms that govern society. There is the thought that our existence is dependent on such chemicals and their regulating society. Perhaps without them we are not real or free?

a reply to: seagull


What evidence would that be? That the number of illegal border arrests has dropped precipitously? You folks use 'evidence' very selectively. And no, those opposing 'The Wall' are not for 'open borders' nor are they against border security. What they are NOT for is wasting billions of dollars so Donald can build his personal monument. But that's lost on the likes of you. You'll resort to your 'death panels' arguments to shout down anyone that sees this for what it is. A useless waste of taxpayers' (and that would be U.S., not Mexican taxpayers') money.

a reply to: UncleTomahawk

The existence of America, the existence of the human beings living there is not and never has been dependent on any of the chemicals controlled by or whose illegal transport and sale across borders is both policed by and facilitated by the CIA et al.

However, those chemicals that are available can be used to manipulate sectors of a community into positions where they cannot be represented by people from their own backgrounds and financial status, or represented by someone who is first hand familiar with their issues and where they came from, because of the stigmas placed upon people in society who have consumed certain chemicals in their lives. When even the thought of admitting that one has inhaled cannabis can cause a former President to shyly deny that he inhaled, you know that a HUGE sector of the national society he comes from, has no representation in officialdom at all, especially when drugs are distributed throughout sectors of that community, specifically to suppress that sectors apparent legitimacy and that of any claims of persecution or adversity beyond their ability to solve, that they may make.

Its not about whether people exist or not. Its about whether the wider society will permit them to be represented, permit their problems to be heard, permit their histories to be known and the histories of others similarly victimised by the system. As long as people are chained to chemical addictions to things like coke and heroin for example, their opinions, on a political level, are ignored, and it would be dangerous to give anyone still on, or overly scarred by their addiction to those things, any shot at power. But... if people would start to accept that this control mechanism has been in use since at least the fifties if not well before that, if people would start to accept that the social divisions in the states are kept at the ebb they are largely to make control of the people POSSIBLE in the first place, rather than having the country controlled BY the people, then that stigma would fall away pretty damned fast, and the healing could begin in earnest.