Query: If Trump Commits Troops to Venezuela Will You Support Him?

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: Fools

Sad thing is that the man that Trump endorsed is also socialist.

It’s almost like this isn’t about socialism at all. Weird.

It is to me though, weird.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

All prophecies are hunches. Your assumptions of the outcome of a war that hasn't happened is a guess, and I would argue it isn't even an educated guess.

As for my own reasoning, perhaps as weak, I see people being oppressed and want to help them. Might there be better ways of helping? Perhaps. But doing nothing and arguing that we should do nothing is not helping. I think it is cowardice.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Propagandalf

Big picture.

There are plenty benefits of freeing Venezuela from their own government, oil reserves being just one of them.

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Propagandalf

Big picture.

There are plenty benefits of freeing Venezuela from their own government, oil reserves being just one of them.

They'll be so free, so happy.



I'll give you though that Venezuela is way worse as a starting example in this case though.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Propagandalf

Big picture.

There are plenty benefits of freeing Venezuela from their own government, oil reserves being just one of them.

They'll be so free, so happy.

I'll give you though that Venezuela is way worse as a starting example in this case though.

Let them sort it out.

a reply to: Propagandalf

So Yemen is worse of right now than Venezuela, yet we're complicit with Saudi Arabia on the biggest humanitarian disaster going on in the world.

Should we maybe button that up first, then focus on Venezuela?

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Propagandalf

So Yemen is worse of right now than Venezuela, yet we're complicit with Saudi Arabia on the biggest humanitarian disaster going on in the world.

Should we maybe button that up first, then focus on Venezuela?

It's a civil war. I'm speaking about oppressed peoples and those in need of liberation.

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Propagandalf

So Yemen is worse of right now than Venezuela, yet we're complicit with Saudi Arabia on the biggest humanitarian disaster going on in the world.

Should we maybe button that up first, then focus on Venezuela?

It's a civil war. I'm speaking about oppressed peoples and those in need of liberation.

Viva le Liberation'

It will not happen....

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Is Venezuela one of those countries that Trump says, "Does Nothing For Us"?

a reply to: CriticalStinker



Let them sort it out.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I like how the before picture is clearly a render and you don't even care

a reply to: CriticalStinker

how much oil did venezuela produce in 2017 ?????????????????

if it was only 50 barrels / day [ an absurd number to illustrate the premise ]

then that " massive production timescale " - does not supply europe for one day

the " big picture " needs to include vital facts - that yours ommitted

did your source do this deliberatly , or negligently ?

We don't need troops in Venuzuala. Invading another country won't help anything. Why not talk about troops to Saudi Arabia then...they support terror activities the world over.

It's because V is an easy target and they have natural resources that the corporations that control our politicians want.

originally posted by: Propagandalf
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Let them sort it out.

That was the 40's, things aren't like they used to be.

Plus if you're going to use an example of genocide, why not point out that isn't happening in Venezuela yet, but it is in Myanmar?

So where is the virtue signaling for that?

Probably because they weren't on the oil list.

originally posted by: Indigent
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I like how the before picture is clearly a render and you don't even care

Woops, I must have fallen for the conspiracy that Iraq is better off now than before we went in...

Sorry guy.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Xcalibur254

Is Venezuela one of those countries that Trump says, "Does Nothing For Us"?

Not sure why people feel we need, or want Venezuela to the point to spend 100 of billions to get it. Venezuela represent only 20% of OPEC and we have as a country moved away a good deal from OPEC, and when oil hits 90 per barrel, fracking becomes profitable to a point we would not need OPEC at all.

As far as Trump is concern, I don't see him invading anyone. He is taking tons of heat to move away from Syria, and he has moved us mostly out of the whole Yemen thing. Obama got us in it with the idea of going after al-Qaeda and that was true to a point. We also were in regime change too with Obama.

Today we are talking once again Sunni against Shia...

Militants from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) and the local affiliate of the rival Islamic State group (IS) have taken advantage of the chaos by seizing territory in the south and carrying out deadly attacks, notably in Aden.

These groups in 2017 started to attack Riyadh directly and US, UK and France have been supplying logistical and intelligence support, but Saudis have been fighting on an unacceptable level with mass injuries and deaths of civilians in an old "kill them all and let God sort them out" typical Middle East mentality. The US has pulled out due to this with very little support given now.

So, we have Trump trying to pull out of all engagements that Obama got us into and is even trying to pull out of Korea EU etc, so why does anyone believe that he would want to do a 180 and go into South America? If anyone says, "for the oil stupid" that doesn't make sense as I explained above Venezuela role in world oil and surely not after spending Trillions in other failed "for the oil" attempts, so I'm sure he knows that too.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: CriticalStinker

how much oil did venezuela produce in 2017 ?????????????????

if it was only 50 barrels / day [ an absurd number to illustrate the premise ]

then that " massive production timescale " - does not supply europe for one day

the " big picture " needs to include vital facts - that yours ommitted

did your source do this deliberatly , or negligently ?

Excellent use of trying to call me out with "what if's"

Yes, they were at a decade low rate in 2017 producing 2,000,000 bpd.

But the point is that Venezuela has more oil than Saudi Arabia.

It's good news if they aren't extracting enough now, because when Saudi Arabia runs out, they'll still have some.

a reply to: Xtrozero

It's just beyond me how this country is constantly sold wars under virtue signaling...

We "learn our lesson" and a few years later fall for the next one hook line and sinker because of some virtue signaling.

Truth be told, whatever country we're sold to go into for humanitarian reasons, there is always some that are worse off we won't touch, or worse off because we're touching it.

The only time I back Trump whole heartedly is in debates about war....

If he picks another one, that's off the table.

originally posted by: Propagandalf


There are plenty benefits of freeing Venezuela from their own government, oil reserves being just one of them.

The interesting thing about oil is new oil is being found faster and faster than ever before, and about 66% of oil is left in wells since it cost more to take it out than it is worth, but new tech has made it profitable at 90 per barrel. It is now estimated that the US alone has up to 8 trillion barrels of oil sitting there in many forms that is now becoming profitable to go after. This is after the old 1.3 trillion barrels are left in the world to give you the 40 years mark based on known reserves and using the old 150 year old pump tech. We also are starting to find that oil is made much faster than what we thought, we once thought it took millions of years and that is not the case, so how much oil is out there or will be out there could be a number that is in the 100s of trillions.

We also need to understand that tech is moving us faster and faster from oil and in 50 years oil needs could be drastically lower as other tech replaces it just as oil replaced the horse.