Venezuela at a breaking point?

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: Lagomorphe
yea, USA claimed dominion over all of Latin America years ago, and with it, came the right to do whatever desired.

And the Middle East... wonder who is next?

a reply to: snowspirit

en.wikipedia.org...

Hurricane Katrina

After Hurricane Katrina battered the United States' Gulf coast in late 2005, the Chávez administration offered aid to the region.[48] Chávez offered tons of food, water, and a million barrels of extra petroleum to the U.S. He has also proposed to sell, at a significant discount, as many as 66,000 barrels (10,500 m3) of fuel oil to poor communities that were hit by the hurricane and offered mobile hospital units, medical specialists, and electrical generators. According to activist Jesse Jackson,[49] the Bush administration declined the Venezuelan offer. However, United States Ambassador to Venezuela, William Brownfield welcomed the offer of fuel assistance to the region, calling it "a generous offer" and saying "when we are talking about one-to-five million dollars, that is real money. I want to recognize that and say, 'thank you.'"[50]

Personal disputes

Chávez's anti-U.S. rhetoric sometimes touched the personal: in response to the ouster of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide in February 2004, Chávez called U.S. President George W. Bush a pendejo ("jerk" or "dumbass"); in a later speech, he made similar remarks regarding Condoleezza Rice. President Barack Obama called Chávez "a force that has interrupted progress in the region".[39] In a 2006 speech at the UN he referred to Bush as "the Devil" while speaking at the same podium the US president had used the previous day claiming that "it still smells of sulphur".[40] He later commented that Barack Obama "shared the same stench".[41]

During his weekly address Aló Presidente of 18 March 2006, Chávez responded to a US White House report which characterized him as a "demagogue who uses Venezuela's oil wealth to destabilize democracy in the region". During the address Chávez rhetorically called George W. Bush "a donkey." He repeated it several times adding "eres un cobarde ... eres un asesino, un genocida ... eres un borracho" (you are a coward ... you are an assassin, a mass-murderer ... you are a drunk).[42] Chávez said Bush was "a sick man" and "an alcoholic".[43]

Operation Balboa was a military simulation conducted by the Spanish Armed Forces from May 3 to 18, 2001 to mimic an invasion of western Venezuela and the USA trains in Spain...

originally posted by: dojozen
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

The $100 a barrel drop in price...think that is what did it.

Oil price is a big deal. Here is what some countries need, even Candia has felt the pain of lower prices as we see the value of their dollar drop from 1.15 US to .75 US in 7 years as oil prices sit low. Venezuela is 10 times worst off...

I did a post years ago about this and it is all coming true as countries are hurting due to oil prices. Below are rough estimates that countries need in oil prices per barrel to be healthy or profitable.

Russia $120
Candia $110
US $90 (fracking)
Venezuela $160+

a reply to: crayzeed

So how is that a socialist issue?

Sounds more like a dictatorship ticking off all the oil investors that was getting the oil out for them and investing in the infrastructure.

And the outside oil company's want to work with the government but they continue to refuse.

The situation is far more complicated than just blanket blaming socialism. And you have to remember the US has been slapping them with sanctions for years now, that doesnt help either.

originally posted by: AtlasHawk
America wants the oil in Venezuela they pretend to care about the People. Look at Yemen, rather then attacking and demanding the Saudis to stop the massacre and starvation. They blame it upon on Iran.

Why do we "want" Venezuela oil? They are a part of OPEC, so we get their oil through the conglomerate of OPEC, but Candia sells us the most with more than all OPEC combined. Venezuela oil represents 20% of OPEC.

originally posted by: SingswithChickens1
Things not going too well in the USA might be the main reason the msm isn't focused on Venezuela.

Haha! What things not going well exactly? Economy is absolutely booming. So much so Obama and the dems try to take credit for it.

The only problem in America is the liberal media and their witch hunt against anything Trump/Republican. Needs to be stopped.

a reply to: Xtrozero

We don’t want their oil. We want the profits from their oil. Venezuela did 2 things you can never do without the us staging insurrection, coup, and finally when all else fails, invasion. 1) they nationalized their oil. Big no no when corporations are not allowed to profit. They’re pissed because a) they can’t rake off all the surplus income, and b) other nations may get the same idea, and that cannot be allowed.
And 2) they tried to enact socialism. No competing economic model can be allowed to succeed lest the banking cartels lose their stranglehold on all the worlds surplus profit.

I am sure you are aware of standard us policy when any nations enact these programs, as has been repeated as nauseum through our history, so the idea that you don’t understand, and think that we want the product of their oil rather than the profit from it, and that their situation has nothing to do with the ideological, military, and economic war the us wages against all nations doing the same is either a) disengenuous or b) intentionally delusional.

a reply to: jjkenobi
Yeah. Our economy is booming like 2006/2007. Don’t let your money hit you on the ass on its way out in the looming crash you’re obviously oblivious to.

originally posted by: strongfp


So how is that a socialist issue?

It becomes a socialist issue when the country can not bring in enough money to feed that system. For a country with more oil than Saudi it takes a lot of failures to get to this point. It mostly started with Chavez the farmer socialist who basically kicked everyone out with skills and knowledge and replaced them with people he could trust but were ineffective. Their oil production dropped a good deal and price per barrel dropped and their answer was to just print more money to create a hyper inflation of 700% per year. A dozen eggs is like 100 US dollar...

Now bring in the next guy Maduro who is now just a dictator, and that seems to be the typical path of many socialist countries doesn't it?

originally posted by: pexx421
a reply to: Xtrozero

We don’t want their oil. We want the profits from their oil. Venezuela did 2 things you can never do without the us staging insurrection, coup, and finally when all else fails, invasion. 1) they nationalized their oil. Big no no when corporations are not allowed to profit. They’re pissed because a) they can’t rake off all the surplus income, and b) other nations may get the same idea, and that cannot be allowed.

Do we get profits from Saudi? Saudi nationalized their oil too.

Ya they kicked everyone out and replaced everyone with incompetence that greatly reduced their oil production. They then crated hyper inflation by just printing money. The socialist farmer didn't do his company any good, and today it is just another dictator state with the same problems.

Having paid attention to what all is going on in Venezuela, and the protests and turmoil that is going on, here is what can be stated:

There are going to be protests, the country is falling apart, and the government there is working hard to keep things together. In that endeavor it is cracking down and making alliances. However, if it gets that bad, the government will not fall as readily as what many people think.

The first thing is that the military and various units are what is keeping the government in power. They are the ones that are going to prop up that government and protect its leadership. The second thing is Russia. Russia has been working very hard at making inroads into Latin and South America. It would not hard to think that Russia would come in and give Venezuela military assistance to pacify the country and to shore it up. This will come in exchange for a naval base, if not an air/army base as well, and a place for various weapons to be housed.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig

The first thing is that the military and various units are what is keeping the government in power. They are the ones that are going to prop up that government and protect its leadership. The second thing is Russia. Russia has been working very hard at making inroads into Latin and South America. It would not hard to think that Russia would come in and give Venezuela military assistance to pacify the country and to shore it up. This will come in exchange for a naval base, if not an air/army base as well, and a place for various weapons to be housed.

I have spent some time working with the Columbia military and they have engagements with Venezuela over oil since they are both pumping from the same pot so to speak. I'm thinking that Columbia and Brazil just split the country between the two of them and call it a day...

originally posted by: crayzeed
First a serious question for you, why is American MSM ignoring these "riots" when they absolutely love to put down socialist values anywhere in the world?
As for the video, well it was a big riot, 4 or5 youths setting fire to a statue.
Maduro has their supreme court AND the military behind him and he aint going anywhere.
Now really look at the alt media and one sneaky bit of info will answer your question. The bit that says America is backing Maduros opposition. In other words, why the American MSM is not reporting it is because it would highlight that America is again meddling in another countries political standing. America WANTS to bring the socialist government down.

It is a "political standing" which has been deemed illegitimate by most of the countries in the Americas.

a reply to: Propagandalf
Well Maduro and his government can call whatever "political standing" for their country whatever they want cos it's THEIR country.

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: crayzeed

So how is that a socialist issue?

Sounds more like a dictatorship ticking off all the oil investors that was getting the oil out for them and investing in the infrastructure.

And the outside oil company's want to work with the government but they continue to refuse.

The situation is far more complicated than just blanket blaming socialism. And you have to remember the US has been slapping them with sanctions for years now, that doesnt help either.

It's a socialist country with a socialist economy. The cash is worth less than toilet paper. The people have resorted to eating trash. Yes, you can blame socialism for that.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: Propagandalf
Well Maduro and his government can call whatever "political standing" for their country whatever they want cos it's THEIR country.

No, they cannot. It's the Venezuelan people's country. Maduro held sham elections, meaning the people cannot vote them out.

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: Propagandalf
Well Maduro and his government can call whatever "political standing" for their country whatever they want cos it's THEIR country.

True and the rest of the world doesn't need to recognize their Government too, and that is kind of what is happening...no international relations, no world bank etc...

I cannot believe people are blaming the US for supporting the Venezuelan people and denouncing the dictatorship under which they live. What a world.

a reply to: Propagandalf

don't be naive you think the US really cares about the Venezuelan people? they only care about the Oil there not the people look at whats happening in Syria.

America would gladly hand over the Kurds to the Turks.

originally posted by: Propagandalf

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: crayzeed

So how is that a socialist issue?

Sounds more like a dictatorship ticking off all the oil investors that was getting the oil out for them and investing in the infrastructure.

And the outside oil company's want to work with the government but they continue to refuse.

The situation is far more complicated than just blanket blaming socialism. And you have to remember the US has been slapping them with sanctions for years now, that doesnt help either.

The cash is worth less than toilet paper.

This is literally true. Hyperinflation has made Venezuela's money so worthless, people wipe their asses with it because it's cheaper than buying toilet paper. I saw a report about one enterprising artisan who was weaving baskets and purses out of money.