The native drummer Philips is not noble as is being pushed

a reply to: Grambler

I am not defending anyone here, I gave the kids a pass because they are kids. The smears are gonna get worse I just read a report that their school denied last year's homosexual class valedectorian his speech at graduation, classy.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

All of your focus is on the kids and the school

They are getting death threats and fixed

Yet you seek to just gloss over the racist adults that accosted these kids

That’s the problem

Oh sure the racist were crazy, sire the other group shouldn’t have defended them

But let’s talk about the chaperones and other issues at the kids school!!!!

a reply to: Grambler

yes because the chaperones could have and should have stopped that situation from escalating like it did. I know you don't feel that way so we can agree to disagree on that.

a reply to: Grambler

I also see you're trying your darndest to avoid putting any of the blame on the kids, the school or the chaperone. I think there's a lot of blame to pass around afyer what happened and all parties involved should share some of the blame.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: Grambler

yes because the chaperones could have and should have stopped that situation from escalating like it did. I know you don't feel that way so we can agree to disagree on that.

The racist could have stopped the situation by not being racist accosting children

I chose to focus on that

Doo you always focus on victims of racism and how they could act better to avoid their racist people yelling at them, or just this time?

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: Grambler

I also see you're trying your darndest to avoid putting any of the blame on the kids, the school or the chaperone. I think there's a lot of blame to pass around afyer what happened and all parties involved should share some of the blame.

Yes I am avoiding placing blame on the kids

Did you blame heather heyer for her death when a racist ran over her?

She could have had chaperones tell her it was dangerous to confront racist after all

I bet you spent all of your time just saying hey the racist were crazy, but the real focus needs to be in what heyer and the others should have done to avoid those racist

Unreal

a reply to: Grambler

hey chaperone those guys just called me the n-word and a homophobic slur what should we do - go back and forth with them for an hour while we wait for our bus (genius) why didn't he go look for an authority figure? If four crazy guys start throwing racist slurs at my kids I would not tell them to debate them for an hour I would leave the area as soon as possible and look for a cop.

a reply to: conspiracy nut
As a chaperone, I would not teach my kids the lesson that they must cower and beg for mercy when racist attack them

As a human, I will not blame kids when adults racists are terrible to them for not cowering to them properly

I will not spend all of my time focusing on what the kids and chaperones could have done differently, while brushing over the other two racist groups that confronted the kids and caused the incident

I especially wouldn’t do that after I saw the kids had been unfairly smeared by the media, docxed, and threatened to the point there school had to close for credible threats

But you do what you need to do

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Grambler

Someone should really take his little drum and shove it up Phillip's ass at this point. The idiot has managed to amass a following for being a jackass, lying, and a handfull of "accomplishments" which are entirely out of his doing such as his ethnicity and age. And while we're on this topic, aren't we beyond romanticizing this nonsense the way Hollywood did 50 years ago with their BS invention of the noble savage? "But he's an 'elder'..." And? He's an old man with a big mouth who decided it would be brave to torment some children, so brave, so noble.

Let's see him pull that stunt with adults next time. Of course then the asshats would really come out of the woodwork portraying this idiot as some sort of heroic victim.

Here's why he targeted the kids---because he has tried this nonsense with his own people and ended up being escorted out of the meetings and rallies by two rather burly men of his own culture group. He's a known agitator and is banned from lots of pow-wows and dances.

He focused on the kids because the other dudes would have taken him out. He's not stupid, just eaten up with the need for attention. He's been reprimanded by elders from many tribes for his aggression with the drum. He's always wanted his 15 minutes. I guess he didn't listen when the elders told him, "Be careful in asking."

I feel sorry for the AIM people that he's duped. I suppose they're young and don't know how to use Google? No way to find out about him?

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: Grambler

hey chaperone those guys just called me the n-word and a homophobic slur what should we do - go back and forth with them for an hour while we wait for our bus (genius) why didn't he go look for an authority figure? If four crazy guys start throwing racist slurs at my kids I would not tell them to debate them for an hour I would leave the area as soon as possible and look for a cop.

You are sad. Do you blame women for being raped too? you know they could have worn different clothes or not walked down that alley. Dont victim blame because these kids were Christians they had a big target on their head. the indians taunted the children then they had black Muslims calling them every name imaginable. These were kids to make it worse the person who attacked these kids he was not some Indian elder hes an activist. And he attacks the Christian church through his actions. Im not even Christian but I can tell when they are being attacked.

originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Grambler

Someone should really take his little drum and shove it up Phillip's ass at this point. The idiot has managed to amass a following for being a jackass, lying, and a handfull of "accomplishments" which are entirely out of his doing such as his ethnicity and age. And while we're on this topic, aren't we beyond romanticizing this nonsense the way Hollywood did 50 years ago with their BS invention of the noble savage? "But he's an 'elder'..." And? He's an old man with a big mouth who decided it would be brave to torment some children, so brave, so noble.

Let's see him pull that stunt with adults next time. Of course then the asshats would really come out of the woodwork portraying this idiot as some sort of heroic victim.

Here's why he targeted the kids---because he has tried this nonsense with his own people and ended up being escorted out of the meetings and rallies by two rather burly men of his own culture group. He's a known agitator and is banned from lots of pow-wows and dances.

He focused on the kids because the other dudes would have taken him out. He's not stupid, just eaten up with the need for attention. He's been reprimanded by elders from many tribes for his aggression with the drum. He's always wanted his 15 minutes. I guess he didn't listen when the elders told him, "Be careful in asking."

I feel sorry for the AIM people that he's duped. I suppose they're young and don't know how to use Google? No way to find out about him?

Anything posted online about his interactions with the elders?

a reply to: BigDave-AR

I don't know. I'd bet it could be found on some sort of social media. What I witnessed was well before the days of social media. It was in the early '90s when Dennis Banks was living in northern KY. We were lobbying the KY legislature to pass a graves protection act. We wanted a graves protection act. He (Phillips) wanted a fight. The elders refused his request for funds and asked him to leave.

I believe he was later involved with an unaffiliated group that was asking for tribal status in KY. They were planning to buy some land and open a casino. Financed by casino owners of course. I wasn't involved but got the warnings about this group via the Indian grapevine. I can't imagine why AIM would fold him in their arms. The elders know him even if the youngsters don't.

a reply to: dragonridr

You are sad because I never blamed the kids I actually gave them a pass for being kids I blame the adults and the chaperone in the situation which I'm starting to doubt there even was one there. what kind of an adult would stand by while people are calling their students the n-word and homophobic slurs and allow it to go on for another hour?

a reply to: dragonridr

your reading comprehension skills are terrible, they weren't black Muslims they were black hebrew Israelites.

I think if you're truly looking at this objectively without trying to push any one narrative you would see that there's plenty of blame to be passed around in this situation.

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: BigDave-AR

I don't know. I'd bet it could be found on some sort of social media. What I witnessed was well before the days of social media. It was in the early '90s when Dennis Banks was living in northern KY. We were lobbying the KY legislature to pass a graves protection act. We wanted a graves protection act. He (Phillips) wanted a fight. The elders refused his request for funds and asked him to leave.

I believe he was later involved with an unaffiliated group that was asking for tribal status in KY. They were planning to buy some land and open a casino. Financed by casino owners of course. I wasn't involved but got the warnings about this group via the Indian grapevine. I can't imagine why AIM would fold him in their arms. The elders know him even if the youngsters don't.

Thanks for the background.

a reply to: diggindirt

He claims Omaha tribal status. That tribe was not and to the best of my knowledge never has been located anywhere near Kentucky (Cherokee, Shawnee, Chickasaw and Yuchi have claims).

Just to clear things up a bit. I joined the army in June 1976 a I was still considered a Vietnam veteran. The designation was mostly related to the benefits you got from serving. Not long after I joined Benefits like free school tuition morphed into a dollar matching program. Other things like VA guaranteed home loans remained unchanged, but these new recruits were no longer considered members of the Vietnam era. So, officially I'm a Vietnam veteran, even though peace with honor was declared 4 years prior.

originally posted by: acackohfcc
Just to clear things up a bit. I joined the army in June 1976 a I was still considered a Vietnam veteran. The designation was mostly related to the benefits you got from serving. Not long after I joined Benefits like free school tuition morphed into a dollar matching program. Other things like VA guaranteed home loans remained unchanged, but these new recruits were no longer considered members of the Vietnam era. So, officially I'm a Vietnam veteran, even though peace with honor was declared 4 years prior.

That’s odd for someone entering the service in ‘76. That being said in common usage anyone considers a Vietnam vet to be anyone who served in country or in the supporting areas like Thailand, either way there’s no excuse for his claims of being a “recon ranger”. I still think it’s highly suspect.

The term has been used to describe veterans who were in the armed forces of South Vietnam, the United States armed forces, and countries allied to them, whether or not they were stationed in Vietnam during their service. However, the more common usage distinguishes between those who served "in country" and those who did not serve in Vietnam by referring to the "in country" veterans as "Vietnam veterans" and the others as "Vietnam-era veterans". The U.S. government officially refers to all as "Vietnam-era veterans"

According to the US Department of Labor, the Vietnam Era Veterans' Readjustment Assistance Act of 1974 (VEVRAA) states, "A Vietnam era veteran is a person who

served on active duty anywhere in the world for a period of more than 180 days, any part of which occurred between August 5, 1964 and May 7, 1975, and was discharged or released with other than a dishonorable discharge.
was discharged or released from active duty for a service connected disability if any part of such active duty was performed between August 5, 1964 and May 7, 1975.

Phillips was never a Vietnam Vet. He was a Vietnam-era Vet. He never went to Vietnam. Yes, He served, but He's still a liar!!! Phillips lost all cred. when He lied about the whole March for Life incident and then later recanted his service to the Marines.

CNN keeps deleting links I'd like to show....keyword : Vietnam era

By the way... this was his own words!