Supreme Court Lets Trump's Transgender Military Ban Take Effect

originally posted by: Wayfarer

Thanks for the insight. Just so I'm understanding you correctly, would something like a drill sergeant telling you to lick his boots be an 'unlawful order' outside of basic training, but while in training it wouldn't'?

He wouldn't say that and you would not do it...lol Pretty damn disrespectful and just because you outrank someone you can't disrespect them. Now dig a hole 6 feet deep to bury a sand flea you killed you might get that in marine boot camp.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Sure, but so could anyone else at any time. Is there any actual data to back up that assumption?

Their dramatically higher suicide rate (both pre and post op)?

Wait, is that on top of the already higher than average rate of service members and veterans in general? Would you mind sharing where you got that data?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Wayfarer

Thanks for the insight. Just so I'm understanding you correctly, would something like a drill sergeant telling you to lick his boots be an 'unlawful order' outside of basic training, but while in training it wouldn't'?

He wouldn't say that and you would not do it...lol Pretty damn disrespectful and just because you outrank someone you can't disrespect them. Now dig a hole 6 feet deep to bury a sand flea you killed you might get that in marine boot camp.

Ah, I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Wait, is that on top of the already higher than average rate of service members and veterans in general?

No idea, but irrelevant...

Would you mind sharing where you got that data?

Web search is your friend. It is no secret, although lots of radical leftists ignore it.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Wait, is that on top of the already higher than average rate of service members and veterans in general?

No idea, but irrelevant...

Would you mind sharing where you got that data?

Web search is your friend. It is no secret, although lots of radical leftists ignore it.

If its the same as the average increased rate seen between veterans/service members & civilian, then on the contrary I think it would be very relevant.

Regarding the data, surely you surmised the reason I asked already was because I hadn't found that looking around the web. I would imagine for you to make such a claim you would know exactly where you heard that or found out that fact.

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Wait, is that on top of the already higher than average rate of service members and veterans in general?

No idea, but irrelevant...

Would you mind sharing where you got that data?

Web search is your friend. It is no secret, although lots of radical leftists ignore it.

If its the same as the average increased rate seen between veterans/service members & civilian, then on the contrary I think it would be very relevant.

Regarding the data, surely you surmised the reason I asked already was because I hadn't found that looking around the web. I would imagine for you to make such a claim you would know exactly where you heard that or found out that fact.

Wayfarer you are being deflected ergo lost cause here.

a reply to: mikell

Realistically its more the logistic nightmare and the fact they won't always have access to their meds. Its the same reason people with chronic diseases that require constant meds can't join.

Also they do ask when you start the enlistment process if you are what is between your legs basically... When I was enlisting with the Navy, my recruiter was not prepared for my laughter to "Are you a man? Do you want to stay a man?" I composed myself and my reply was "Sir, is it the hair that's confusing? I am pretty sure I am still a man and I would like to keep my jewels where they are" he had a good laugh.

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: Wayfarer
Wait, is that on top of the already higher than average rate of service members and veterans in general?

No idea, but irrelevant...

Would you mind sharing where you got that data?

Web search is your friend. It is no secret, although lots of radical leftists ignore it.

If its the same as the average increased rate seen between veterans/service members & civilian, then on the contrary I think it would be very relevant.

Regarding the data, surely you surmised the reason I asked already was because I hadn't found that looking around the web. I would imagine for you to make such a claim you would know exactly where you heard that or found out that fact.

I've read it many places, found just doing a simple search, so, I surmised that you would find it as easily as I did. My bad...

Here is one I found that took all of 10 seconds. A pertinent quote from the study:

"Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population."

Since these are precisely the same symptoms they had before transitioning, I think it is safe to say that transitioning doesn't alleviate the problems. Whether opr not it exacerbates them is possibly up for debate, but I also think it is safe to say that taking artificial hormones at the level transitioning people do will, absolutely and unequivocally have mind and mood altering affects that are difficult if not impossible to quantify.

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population."

Ah, the oft cited and widely misinterpreted "Swedish Study" from the Karolinska Institute. Here's a little fact check with the study's author, Cecelia Dhejne:

Fact check: study shows transition makes trans people suicidal

A "sound mind" is a must for a Soldier. There is no room for self doubts as a Warrior.
Least of all? There is no room for people that want the military to pay for their genital mutilations, to stand on "the wall". Women and Men Soldiers need to now what they are, who they are.
I know, I know. "Navy SEAL" sheman...blah and blah.
NCO's and Com. Officer's have a hard enough time convincing troops to ignore their emotions, let alone, dealing with a "man", that wishes he had a "period".
Ef'n libs, will be the suicide of this country.

originally posted by: Cybelle

originally posted by: tanstaafl
Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population."

Ah, the oft cited and widely misinterpreted "Swedish Study" from the Karolinska Institute. Here's a little fact check with the study's author, Cecelia Dhejne:

Fact check: study shows transition makes trans people suicidal

From your link:

"It is therefore important to note that the current study is only informative with respect to transsexual persons health after sex reassignment; no inferences can be drawn as to the effectiveness of sex reassignment as a treatment for transsexualism. In other words, the results should not be interpreted such as sex reassignment per se increases morbidity and mortality. Things might have been even worse without sex reassignment. As an analogy, similar studies have found increased somatic morbidity, suicide rate, and overall mortality for patients treated for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. This is important information, but it does not follow that mood stabilizing treatment or antipsychotic treatment is the culprit."

I didn't say transitioning increased these tendencies, I merely pointed out what the study showed - that they have much higher rates than the average population post transition. Therefore, transitioning does not cure their ills.

Maybe they are a little better, maybe they are worse, but no study has been done to show that.

The bottom line is, these people are mentally ill, likely from chemical poisoning from our polluted environment, and throwing more chemicals at them, especially at children for chrissake, should be the last thing we do.