a reply to: Superunknown528
The thing is that Jesus was only somewhat pacifist.
I say that because, although, yes, he did not resist his arrest, and went to the cross without attempting escape, he also kicked the traders out of
the temple. If his pacifism were absolute, he would not have raised a hand to those traders, leave alone turned over their tables full of wares, and
kicked them out of the temple with the gusto he is said to have mustered. He might have implored them to leave, or suggested it to each of them in
turn, with whatever results might have come therefrom, but he didn't. He put the Holy smack down on the entire situation, and forcibly ejected them
from the premises.
His preparedness to die therefore, was not a result of pure pacifism, because pure pacifism is not the simple lack of will to kill, or a refusal to
defend onself. Its the lack of will to act with vigour or fury, and indeed, he did act with vigour and fury during the temple ejection, so simple
pacifism cannot be used as an explanation for the totality of his actions. Yes, he did instruct folk to turn the other cheek (which, anatomically
means that a person could potentially be expected to put up with obnoxiousness four times, before reacting, one for each cheek. Two for the face, two
for the arse, and then the gloves come off? Its not clear), but he also became physically violent with people who posed him no physical threat. The
only thing they did to offend him, was turn his fathers house into a business.
The normal person in the street might not react that way to the same stimulus. In fact, a regular person would kick and scream on the way to
execution, and make those attempting to kill them sorry that they had ever taken up the sword, taking as many bastards down with them as they could,
but would barely lift a finger to correct the behaviour of those trying to turn religious practice into a business transaction.
Jesus was not the normal man in the street however. According to the Bible, he was the Son of God. This has an importance that most people who
examine the Bible from the outside, refuse to acknowledge, which is why so many of them come up with flawed notions of his manner of thinking. At no
time was Jesus indoctrinated. In fact, he was the ISSUER of instruction in the ways of faith, not the recipient at any time, of spiritual
understanding greater than his own. We see from the part of the Bible where he, as a child, is recorded as having spent time discussing the finer
points of faith with elders in the temple at Jerusalem, men many times his own age, who were stunned at his learning, not just for his age, but for
ANYONE to know of the things he knew to the degree he knew them. He was, from the get go, BEYOND the ability of anyone to indoctrinate, because his
understanding of the beliefs of his people was absolute and entire. Indoctrination can only occur when there is a gap, a pretty substantive one, in
the understanding a person has, of a particular matter or group of matters. For example, if a person fails to understand percentages, you can fool
them into thinking that a larger portion of people who fall into a particular category, are habitually involved with certain activities than is
actually the case. If a person does not understand policy and diplomacy too well, an influencer might be able to convince them that someone who is
looking out for the little guy, is actually a Marxist terrorist in disguise. Those are more modern examples, but they illustrate my point.
Jesus was not indoctrinated, because he developed his understanding of belief in God and the faith in general, to a degree where his knowledge was
peerless, a situation that prevents a person becoming indoctrinated. When one is more knowledgeable on matters of doctrine, than those around them, it
is impossible for them to be poisoned in such a manner. It would be like someone convincing Einstein that fairies are responsible for the transmission
of energy between physical objects. He would not be convinced, because in that area, there were no thinkers who could match his insight into the
universe and its function, which means he already knew a measure of the processes which involve the exchange of energy between objects and states of
matter in the universe, and knowing this, could not be convinced that the more ridiculous notions involving fairies, were anything more than
No, Jesus' apparent pacifism was, in fact, nothing much of the sort. And indeed, if the tome is to be believed, he will come again, with righteous
fury, and some significant arse will be kicked. Now, you can choose not to believe that, you can do whatever you would like to do, and think whatever
you would like to think. But if you think of Jesus as meek and mild only, as pacifist to the exclusion of all other things, then you will have failed
to understand the fellow entirely, or the gravitas of his permitting the Romans to put him to death.